Your mark ups arent that big. People want something for nothing these days.
Engelo
Engelo
After number of calls and Skype conversations with international clients.I think the fear of buying a property and being taken for a ride is high on most minds. If clients can do a little research and see the what the property is being purchased and sold for. For us it is creating a comfort level for the international buyer along with educating out investor.
I've received no email from you so perhaps send them through again. What I was referring to (and didn't word it very well) was what percentage of the tenants you would expect to take up owner financing
Peter I will resend that email. We are just starting to offer this. Being it is new to put an accurate number on this I would be misleading you and others. We are hoping that we can influence majority of renters to take advantage of home owner ship.
I was hoping to have at least 25 % of our homes which could be a high number.I think it depends on how strong we market this program. For that number to go up or down. I would not want to put all eggs in one basket though. So again just one of the exit plans.
For foreign investors exchange rate performance would also have to be factored in. The long term outlook for the $US is not good. The Fed is determined to inflate their way to minimising debt. Along with many other currencies. It's likely we'll see decline and stagnation within the US economy for decades to come. Downside risk is high in the US RE market. You're really going to have to know your onions to do well there. The Freckle
Agree strongly 100 % that the risk is high in Re market but deals are priced very cheap. I think the USA economy will take a bit to recover as well. That is why doing research is very important.
Even if you buy in a rental area you can still sell to an investor looking for yield. Prob for none or minimum profit.
Engelo
I would say majority of the sales in most of the USA investment markets are being sold to investors already. Buying and selling rental homes has always worked. What I am looking at is an alternative to locking in a back end buyer. Not saying it is a guarantee sale. Just exploring other options.
Regarding exit strategies, it may be easier for you to sell to first home buyers in USA for a profit, as I've recently read of Obama's proposals of initiatives to help them out.
This was one of the presidents first programs and it helped sell a few homes. We found that market was priced for first time home buyers at 120k to $140k . This really has no affect on the market today.
Most of the Governments housing recovery plans has not worked.
Some great points raised. I am sure many of the Australian investors don't fully understand or appreciate what buying in "rental neighborhoods" means or how it will impact on future appreciation. Many will no doubt say "I only purchased for the cashflow" which is fine but as you point out….that doesn't give them an exit strategy….at some point they would want to sell and get the cash back. Makes it all the more difficult when nobody will buy it because it's in a rental neighborhood.
The owner financing strategy has merits that's for sure. What sort of market would you expect to take up owner financing ?
Peter ,I emailed you a few days ago.
Sorry not quite sure what you mean" what sort of market would I expect to take up owner financing. " Or your referring to the end buyer or the homes.
After numerous conversations with international and National clients the last few weeks, we are looking at viable exit strategies with the USA properties down the road. I am not sold on the 5 year return that a lot of other investors are speaking about. I am also concerned about us turning retail areas into glorified rental markets. This is a big concern for me, as I see some international clients thinking in 5 to 10 years they can sell these deals that they are purchasing capturing appreciation. My first concern is that Americans in general do not move to rental areas. This could change with the new nicer rental homes that we and other companies are now dealing with. Again, this is purely speculation for down the road.
So if one is buying for buy and hold ( cash flow ) and not really concerned about future appreciation, this should not interest them. If one is looking at being able to sell in 10 – 12 or 15 years, this could be a viable option. Again, this is just my opinion, but I am not sold on appreciation coming back in 5 to 7 years. The USA is going through some problems that are new for us. I do see us as a strong resilient nation, and expect things to come back to a reasonable pricing point. To me, this 5 to 7 year plan is more of a marketing strategy for the sales teams. When they say buy now and in 5 years, the market will rebound. Again, I am not saying anyone is wrong, I am just saying I am not sold on this concept. At least not for the markets I have been to, which include all USA investment markets except Texas ( I have not been there).
Just some background information: the phrase 'lease option" in the USA. Again, to me this is really a false phrase (just a marketing ploy). We as a property management company use it to hopefully bring in a better tenant. Besides putting some extra cash in your pocket as the investor with a slightly larger down payment, I don't see this set up as a win-win situation. Investors might win with extra cash, but tenants are not being taken care of. Yes, the tenants are the most important factor ( besides property management for investors in today's real estate market). Our property management company sets most leases options ( rentals ) for our tenants. I know in the beginning very few will buy. Not to sound repetitive, but this is more for our marketing end to keep properties filled.
Now again in the end this will really come down to each individual investors game plan or investment strategy when they get started. This below is what we are looking at in the markets, in which we buy and sell homes. Again, these are for cash buyers only. One cannot truly owner finance an existing property with financing on that property. Some people will do this (sub lease and creative financing) but I think they are playing in a gray area where loans can be called "due".
Our thinking is for cash deals only.
Owner Financing is what we are talking about here.
Let's start off talking about the advantages of owner financing. Everyone has this high expectation that in 5 years or so the homes they are purchasing today in the U.S. will be able to be sold at this high retail price. The only true way to do this is to Owner Finance the property. You can sell the home to a buyer at tomorrow's value today (Which is a risk for the back end buyer).
Here is the way that it should be done to give you, as the owner, the most security as possible. You would do owner financing for the person looking to purchase your home (current renter). This is done just like any other Real Estate closing, It will be done through an attorney. You would want to set this up in the beginning, the buyer will be paying a a balloon note. This can be set up we are thinking on a 8 – 10 – 12 year mortgage note.
This will put them in a position to where they need to refinance to pay off the investor. Secondly, every home should have a deed in lieu signed at closing, This will circumvent any costly foreclosure fees and the lengthy time that is involved. If the buyer does go into default, it is a $30.00 fee to file the deed in lieu and the home is returned to you. Now keep in mind, that when you do owner financing, the buyer is now responsible for the taxes, insurance and any HOA's. You will be named as the insured on the insurance policy. This is another advantage of doing the owner financing, as everyone knows property values in the US have fallen greatly, most of your retail neighborhoods have fallen victim to this and have started turning into rental areas. Rental neighborhoods will take much longer to recover. By doing owner financing you and other investors are actually helping to prevent these neighborhoods from turning into rental areas and bring the home values back up, or at the very least keep the values in the area sustained. Of course, you can only owner finance if you yourself or company own the property free and clear. This is a major benefit for you the owner, the home buyer, and the actual neighborhood.
Again this is our company looking at viable options for getting out of properties a few years from now. Looking for some feedback and comments .
Sincerely Alex [email protected] Skype Alex Franks 2002 Charlotte NC USA
Hi Alex
can you define what a "Rental Area" is??
I understand you are buying in areas of Atlanta such as LIthonia, ( I was have not purchased any thing there in a bit).there are so many subdivisions, older cheaper properties that I would not touch, also nice big homes in good subdivisions with great facilities. I am told many foreclosures in this area, yet I am renting a property in this area for $1300 per month, big home, brick face, excellent subdivision…. So are you saying this will not sell? I picked this up for $48,000 and looking at comparable sales they are around $85-90,000 today.( I would not be surprised to see all these comps are homes being sold to investors both international and National clients. Most of these homes would not qualify to be sold to buyers. Being banks wont lend on properties that need rehab. So I would make an educated guess that the majority of these homes are deals investors paid for from wholesalers ( turn key deals )Which would also make them rentals.
Also realistically wholesalers, foreign investors would not be purchasing expensive homes simply because the return would be hopeless. ( Not saying it is hopeless just giving my opinion to what I see here happening. It would be foolish to jump into the US and purchase a property with no cashflow and as per your comment ( Sorry for any confusion that is not what I was saying that their is not cash flow. Cash flow is great, better then it has been in years . I am saying for investors looking for an exit strategy- who knows when US recovery will actually happen. Also saying the majority of the rental homes to even be considered for retail will need $10 to 15k to get to that level in the future.With or with out appreciation down the road. All we are trying to do is look at options to secure long term cash flow , while having a possible exit strategy.
Would be interested in your comments. As always love to talk real estate and thank you for the follow up..
Hi Alex I could not agree more. If every person sat down and started to goal set by detailing a life plan there lives would change. My wife and I have been involved in a life plan for 17 years. When I look back to what we first wrote it is quite different to what we have today. What it does is keep you focused and helps you keep on track.
Nigel
There will always be a difference of opinion on Real estate on the USA markets ( nothing personal). The goal setting is important step for very one regardless of location. That is awesome about you and you wife. My wife and I ,we work hard on sticking to a schedule mon – fri taking the weekend off. To relax and recharge. If possible some time I would like to speak via skype.
Sincerely
Alex [email protected] skype Alex Franks 2002 Location Charlotte NC USA
Great to hear Angela (go girl power ) When I was 23 I was chasing boys a bit too much. Didnt save enough. Like others have said just be careful anyone new to investing in the USA. To be 23 again and do it all over. Yes be very careful when dealing in USA.. I would also be very careful with teams in not just in the USA but Australia as well advertising USA properties.
I know someone personally that got burnt badly in the USA from someone flogging their stuff via a website like this and spruking their wares … My friend unfortuantely didnt do the due dilligence just listened to someone who said they had the best deals of a lifetime. I would consider myself an "experienced" investor now. I have 6 investment properties here in Australia (+ PPR)Very sound advice like I have said and will continue to say spending a few dollars on education and taking a trip here to the USA .Also finding some one who has done business here in the USA from Australia is very important.
. But like you I am looking at the USA as a total novice. I am going over to San Antonio Texas in March and doing my own due dilligence whilst I am there. I am going with another group that I have made heaps of $$ with here in Australia but even though I have a really good relationship with them here in Australia however, I have realised the USA is a TOTALLY different market and I need to do my own research thoroughly. Stacey That's why I am spending a couple of $$ now to invest in my education of the USA. Last comment of you is worth it weight in gold.So very important to invest a few dollars now to learn instead of taking the word from any one.
Sorry you clearly dont understand Australian Credit legislation or the impact of NCCP.
Yes we are financing in parts of the US and Yes we have so many enquiries it is unbelievable but at the moment because of the impact of NCCP we dont take applications from Australian based investors.
We mainly focus on UK clients who pay our upfront fee and who provide what we need when we need it.
Cheers
Richard I am would like to speak at some point if possible.Email or conference call or skype .
I work with clients everyday and I help people invest in both the United States and also in development projects in Australia. However the most important work I do is coaching and training. The reason is that most people just drift in life. While I think books like the 4 hour work week are brilliant I also know that often in the beginning people need a more simple approach. They need to start somewhere. The first thing they need to do is work out what they want to achieve. The way to do that is to sit down and write down those things that are important to you. Once you start to do this the plan will slowly take shape. Once the plane takes shape the ideas will start flowing and it will help move you in a direction to do more complex things.
Nigel coming here and reading your post shows you are more then just a real estate guy.Your advice to Fellow Aussies is great but you advice is also sound for Americans or any one really. My wife is currently training for a triathlon. So goal setting and keeping a schedule is very important to us . I just recently had a awesome couple from Adelaide in to my office in Charlotte NC. I took out one of my notebooks and showed them my goals for 2012. Along with my own goals I wrote down some for my staff hoping they would also take part in this activity. So every one should look at some of the most successful people which does not just mean making money. Success should and is measured in other ways. Has alot to do with goal setting .
Hi Alex I have used James from Tax Central, I found him to be very good, also the fact that he resides in Australia is definately a plus for me as I phone me from time to time with queries.
Their office is in Queensland, if you want his particulars just pm me and I will be happy to pass on his details.
My experience is that people who do not plan there lives will often drift and fail
This is more of a simple approach with a road map of where we want to go. We can set a paths to get there. With out it we just wonder around aimlessly. That is a basic principle of goal setting .
To build a road map for where you are ,and where you want to be.
Have you read the book "The 4-Hour Workweek" by Timothy Ferriss? http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/ Gives some interesting insight on what you can do once you have achieved sufficient cashflow.
The concept of mini-retirements as opposed to what I thought before of getting to the end and THEN concentrating all my effort on what I really want to work on.
NHG
I agree with this. I've read the book and am actually living what was espoused. I currently live in another country, and hav ebeen doing so for a few months. Will head back to Australia next in a couple more weeks The book is great read but not for the novice setting out to set goals. Great read copy of book sitting on my desk.
Here are some actualy tips for planning I'd suggest as well:
1) Do planning for both personal goals AND professional goals This is true I break them down more and have health included in their. For my wife and I work swhen we plan our work out and healthy eating.
2) Plan to create an emergency fund, if you dont already have one – which is equivalent to a lump sum of 3-6 months of your monthly living expenses. If your business plans fails, your job ends, or an emergency arrives, you can have more confidence that you'll be ok. I like to tell most to have 12 months worth of emergency funds. There is alot less stress should one lose a job.
3) Plan for creating PASSIVE income streams. This will enable you to be financially free and able to travel the world or whatever you want to do.That is so true passive income = freedom. My wife and I are working on acquiring X amount of houses. Free and clear to do the travel thing.
I was wondering if anyone on this forum has successfuly flipped a property and what the breakdown of costs versus profit is, generally speaking.
If you're using equity you already have in a property to acquire the new property, that you want to renovate and flip, would you count this as a cost to be reimbursed as part of the overall profit?
Also, if you have terms agreed with the vendor to get access to the property prior to settlement do you need to have insurance for the property or is that only once the property has settled?
Any help is appreciated.
A few years back my self and most of the Cash flow turn key guys.All we did was flip. I was big working with the Higher end homes. When banks and loans dried up in the USA. We were forced to change the way we did business and thought process. Buying and holding was the way to survive .
Then when Obama there was a push for first time home buyers. For is int he business we then focused on homes $ 125k to $150k . Since then flipping is a huge risk here unless you deal with resellers( wholesalers) So we still basically flip.
Now there is two different flipping modules that I see. Flipping to buyers looking for cash flow rentals. OR flipping to the home buyer. Here in the USA we have found the niche market for us is homes $250 to $450k right now. Only looking for projects that have been left by builders that went under. These seem to be the the only properties that us or our cash lenders seem to look at. Now this is only for the Charlotte NC market cant speak for other markets in the USA.
You could try James at US Taxcentral but he charges just to talk to him and unfortunately tends to talk in riddles. (whether intentional or just BS I just don't know as in the end I didn't get the answers I required)
Other people have used him and found him to charge reasonably and perform the work efficiently.
I do not back away from what I said. I am not saying all agents are bad. It just most agents as in Australia deal in residential sales and do not understand investments. Investment is a specialized area not all agents understand this
Nigel that is a really good point. For me to use an agent the first thing I do is ask the question do you own any rental properties. There is a huge separation between investor and realtor.
I would have to pick Atlanta I am not buying to many properties their. How ever my preference would be Atlanta . Prices are great their. Long term I am bit worried about Atlanta coming back if your looking for appreciation but cash flow strong .
This sounds similar to a product that a forum member Jay Heinrichs from True Wholesale Houses does. Slight difference is that with Jay's product…the rate is 7% to 9% on your investment paid monthly. The big difference however is that with TWH…you also participate in the equity of the home and have a note over the home. If TWH went broke or didn't pay your your monthly return…you still have a home that you foreclose on and get your original investment back. If all goes according to plan however and in 3 or 5 years time the home is sold not only have you gotten your 7-9% each month…you also stand to gain from the sale as you have a 50% stake in it.
Speedy you are correct very similar to jay program, we jumped on board with Jay's program also. Only for our Charlotte deals. We though still raise private capital for short term loans. With us we put a deed in leiu there so the investor can take back the property after 90 days or receive 1 % a month on the loan until it sells.
I have just lent some money to a business that buys property in the US. Its a 5 year contract with an interest rate of 10% per annum. After 5 years there is a possibility to extend or get a balloon payment of the funds lent. If repayments are late by 60 days I can repossess the properties. What are your thoughts on this strategy? Has anyone done anything similar? I have been in correspondance with these people for some time now and am confident there will be no issues. Thanks for your time.
Regards, Engelo
Engelo just browsing back through old post. My company is completely funded by private investors.We do things a bit different. First the money is never sent to us but through a closing attorney and there escrow account,. We pay our private investors 4 points for 30 days , 8 points for 60days and 12 points for 90 days. After 90 days we give the investor the choice to either take the property back or collect 1 % a month until it sells. It you got to our website and look at the deals every single deal is done through private lenders.
There is always risk but if the team knows what they are doing less risk.Worst case you get a property cheaper then if you were to buy it directly from a reseller like my self. We only borrow funds 3 quarters out of the year. As in the fourth quarter we don't really buy to many deals. instead clean up the company and get ready for the next year.
Alex [email protected] skype Alex Franks 2002 Location is Charlotte NC USA