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- Originally posted by aussierogue:
the bible and talent. well I seem to remember Jesus being offered the world (by the devil) and he said ‘no thanks!!’ talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. he had a access to money – had a great opportunity to build a dynasty financial dynasty and he said no. blatant underachiever that Jesus. wouldn’t know how to make a bob if he tried…although I hear chippies are on 50 bucks an hour in Melbourne…
some of you talk as if making the most of your talent is the only important thing in life. little bit insular and selfish eh? again its all about you!!!!
Come on Aussie, you have been a good sport so far, stay on track.
In the above you say that it is not ALL about achievement.
Correct, I don’t remember saying so.Yet it is a fact that when the talk is on achievements, whoever disagrees with what is been said, starts talking about greed, or money is not all, or money will not buy happiness, or Jesus said, go and sell all you have and give to the poor.
On matters of wealth or rather prosperity like I prefer to call it, it is difficult to find consensus, since to start with a large proportion of the ‘audience’ thinks that achievement has to do with the environment we come from, so since I cannot change the environment I am hopelessly at the mercy of external uncontrollable forces.
The small proportion remaining, is reluctant to accept that it is in their power to change conditions for success, and scrambles for excuses to justify not doing so. One intellectual way out is the say, it is materialistic or un-spiritual to succeed, Jesus calls for poverty etc etc etc.
My point all along is that this and many other more creative “excuses” lay dormant in our subconscious mind, placed there mostly by others, ready to jump at any opportunity we try to drift out of our confront zone. It is the recognition of this stock belief for what they are, anti-values that makes the first step towards power thinking and power action.
When I say anti-values, I include your quote, not in it’s real context of the Son of man dealing with the outcast who wants to rob him from his deity by making Him stumble, (In fact fulfilling a scriptural old testament prophecy) but in the context you use it, that is as an excuse for under achievement.
Meaning:”I will not go to a seminar that teaches how to invest in commercial properties, because Jesus was offered the earth and rejected it, so I must do the same”
When most may have more sophisticated thoughts that are not so obvious, it is the poor interpretation of scriptures by poorly trained when perhaps well intentioned religious leaders that keeps most people from prospering.
For whoever wants to see it, the bible is a powerful and prosperous book. God blessings come always in the form of wisdom AND prosperity, and the specific times Jesus talks down to the “rich” it is because of specific personal situations (the young ruler for example) or the social and political context of rich being traitors to the Jews by collaborating with the Romans and oppressing their own(the rope through the eye of the needle parabola).
When the Centurion declared his faith to God and Son Jesus, he was not asked to give up his position nor his wealth and slaves and possessions, his prosperity was not anathema, contrary to today’s popular religious teachings.
In the same way, before that time hundred of other wealthy people, leaders, kings, rulers, where graced by God’s blessings in a way that is hard to imagine. No one was asked to “sell all and give to the poor”. Their prosperity was achievement and blessing and pleasing to GodMay God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcWhat I personally find much more hard to swallow is the foreign aid sent to countries that are notoriously corrupt. There we are funding the swimming pool of foreign “dignitaries”. .. and I am sorry for using such anachronism.
I rather deal with the real or perceived inequality of public spending then to se our hard earned dollars wasted in some “victim” country.May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcAussie, your use and interpretation of the scriptures is amazing. What denomination do you subscribe to? The pick and choose?
When I have no intention to discuss Christian doctrine here, to say that prosperity is wrong since Jesus did not pursue a career, is as valid as to say carpentry is bad since Jesus gave it up.
You are throwing concepts around in a way that appears to indicate you have little if any grasp about their real meaning.
Since I think you are a normally intelligent person and this cannot be the case, I can only conclude you are attempting to use values you are not familiar with, but that you assume I will relate to and respond to.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
Marcwhat are YOU doing to try and make the public school system better?? what are YOU doing to try and make a great education possible for everyone? (not just kids with access to money)why did you with a gifted child have to make a greater sacrifice than a rich person with a gifted child???
the point is that it doesn’t have to be this way!!
Interesting ideas Aussie, (I though the party folded in 1991[cap])
Q: What am I doing to make the public school better?
A: Pay taxes and vote. Certainly not using my kids as political football.I think Franklin’s “No Frills” has a market, but I buy my food at the deli. Should I feel guilty about it? Should we all buy no frills to “support the cause”? Well if it’s worth while you may have my vote but… I’m not sure yet which cause are we asked to support.
Q: what are YOU doing to try and make a great education possible for everyone?
A: Since I am not welcome in Parliament just yet, and I have left the trenches a long time ago, My answer is: Pay taxes.See governments of the world have long given up on producing money to equalise society. They now make money by selling the country assets and call it privatisation, and by milking the private sector. This money is then dutifully thrown at the voters willy-nilly with magnanimous gesture, pretending to be the owners of it.
If anything is left over, it is reluctantly used to prop up those annoying sectors that give deficit like p.transport, p.education, p.health and police. (Armed forces are propped up according to what the real masters dictate)
Q: “why did you with a gifted child have to make a greater sacrifice than a rich person with a gifted child???”
A: Why do I have to save for a whole year to buy myself a Mercedes when rich people can just buy it from petty cash?
Why do we live in a capitalist system yet when it comes to education we long for communism? Strange in deed … and naive.
I think we have a healthy portion of socialism built into our public sector that allows whoever really wants to succeed to do so without barriers.To think that the privilege that prosperity gives to the one that have obtained it, must be removed by force by acts of law to make the rich eat dust and make all kids somehow magically equal is absurd.
It is not only not possible, it would be highly unjust and more important disregards completely the fact that kids are not an isolate entity but part of a family and a family usually has parents who has as much say if not more than the kids, and have as much if not more responsibility in the kids future than the kid.
So we go full circle back to my previous post.
Public schools are not the product of their budget but the product of the demands the parents and by extension the kids put on the school, meaning the teachers and principal, since the building does not answer to questions.There are few good public schools, all in the more expensive suburbs. Do you think they are better because they have a better budget? Well their budget is not different since allocation in the public system varies according to the number of pupils. So what is the difference? As I said before, the parents and the kids and as a consequence, the teachers. Successful people tend to demand success and such demands produce results.
Why are most public schools bad or worst? Simple, parents from those schools don’t demand from their kids nor from the teachers, and expect the government to fix it.
You are trying a guilt trip here, “What are YOU doing” well my answer is NOTHING since I don’t use the services of a public school.
Do I think it could be better?
Absolutely!
Do I think it is up to the government to improve it?
Not for a minute!
It is up to the USERS of the system, and I am not such user. I only PAY for it.[comp]May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
Marc“People want to believe in magic, and if that magic can also save them from working and thinking, they gladly pay good money for it.”
The above is certainly true… and it is equaly true when refered to what we beleive.
“People want to confirm their excuses and anti-values, and if that can save them from working and thinking, they gladly fight for such bias confirmation untill the very end.”
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcHOW LOW CAN WE GO?
Using a sophisticated mathematical model, University of Montreal exercise physiologist Francois Peronnet and colleague Guy Thibault predicted in 1989 what the world records would be in future years for various races. So far, they’ve proven pretty accurate.
CURRENT PROJECTED WORLD RECORD
RACE WORLD RECORD 2000 2028 2040
100 meters (seconds) 9.78 9.74 9.57 9.49
200 meters (seconds) 19.32 19.53 19.10 18.92
400 meters (seconds) 43.18 43.44 42.12 41.59
800 meters 1:41.11 1:39.88 1:36.18 1:34.71
Mile 3:43.13 3:41.96 3:33.29 3:29.84
Source: Journal of the American Physiological Society, 1989IT is disappointing that you miss the point by so much, even more disappointing from you Monopoly.
Before 1968 there was an army of doctors, physicist and psychologist who gave speeches about the so called 10 second barrier, and they had all irrefutable proof to say that it was impossible for the human body to go any faster than 10 second for 100 meters.
This professors and self appointed experts planted in the world athletes the seed of defeat. “It is not possible, be realistic” was the seed that kept all athletes running over 10 seconds. All but one, Jim Haines did not listen to morons and in 1968 broke the so called barrier running 100m in 9.9 seconds.
What happened next was amazing. All of a sudden the myth dissipated, the bull dust told for decades about the human limit lost its power and the MENTAL barrier of the 10 second gone from the world athletes mind, allowed many after Jim Haines to run also 9.9 in a matter of months after his official accomplishment in the Mexico Olympics.
What does this tell you?
That WE put the limit to our achievements, and what we call reasonable and realistic, is a mental fence to keep us in our comfort zone.
Challenge your comfort zone if you want to achieve something in life.Unless you are different and think different you will just be part of the crowd.
Nothing wrong with that, but perhaps pointing fingers to people who think different from the masses is not very clever, nor original.
Most achievers do not fit the average.May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcWez, you nailed it this time in more ways than one.
You “accuse” Lucifer to think at Bill Gates’ level.
Bingo !! That is exactly what I am talking about.
How can you succeed if you think small? The short answer is you cannot.
Aim at the Sun and you may get off the ground. “Be realistic” is guaranteed to make you a loser.
Do you think that Helen Keller was realistic?
Was Bill Gates “realistic”?
What about Harvey Norman? He should have remained an employee and have a “secure” future.
I am sure Steve should have taken a dose of reality and a chill pill on top, stop dreaming and get down to earth, and do what God intended you to do, to do tax returns for your customers you should be grateful come to you… and work hard for some more 40 years and retire on $500 or perhaps $600 a week. You don’t need more!There are two things mixed up in this debate, as usual this always happens.
One is the surfacing of some people’s anti-values that make them say to whoever dares to talk about success that “You are greedy” that is criticising the GOAL, in this case prosperity. Very wrong in my opinion to criticise other peoples goals on our own values.The other topic much more interesting is the method necessary to reach success, be it prosperity or success as a musician, painter writer singer of stamp collector. The method is THINK BIG and act accordingly. The problem is that in order to think higher than your ankles one needs to rid oneself of the glass ceiling placed on top of us by our environment, mum and dad, teachers, mates priests and others all compete to tell us what is best for us, take a reality check, be humble, be content.
It’s a pity. Only God knows how many talents lay buried in the farm by fearful servants who listen to their peers telling them “take a dose of reality mate, it ain’t going to happen”. This dream busters, should realise that the only reason they are doing so is to justify their own inaction. I say if you want to be mediocre, that is your business, but dont tell otehrs they should be mediocre too because that is your reality.
I say to whoever is listening to be the most you can, a billionaire if you can, a Picasso, a Luis Armstrong, be the best of the best, and shake off all those dream busters that tell you it is wrong to have aspiration, dreams and plans, they are like the crabs in the basket pulling you down at their level just because they cannot see you succeed, they hate it.
I say HAVE WILD PLANS, have vast dreams, plan to invent a method to split water into H2 and O2 efficiently, Plan to own 20000 properties in 20 countries, dream to run 100 meters in 8.9 second, to explore Venus on a space ship, and to write 50 best sellers.
Matthew 25:14 For it is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves and entrusted his possessions to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and he went on his journey. 16 Immediately the one who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and gained five more talents. 17 In the same manner the one who had received the two talents gained two more. 18 But he who received the one talent went away, and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those slaves came and settled accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came up and brought five more talents, saying, “Master, you entrusted five talents to me. See, I have gained five more talents.’ 21 His master said to him, “Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 Also the one who had received the two talents came up and said, “Master, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more talents.’ 23 His master said to him, “Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 And the one also who had received the one talent came up and said, “Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you scattered no seed. 25 “And I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered and said to him, “You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. 27 “Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 28 “Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.’ 29 For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30 Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
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Poor is good, spiritual, generous, popular…
Rich is bad, greedy, materialist, scrooge, hated…
Now that is a novel thought, where did I hear that before [confused2].
What is your source Kay? … the movie Titanic?May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcCelvia, I think my post is self explanatory.
If you want an aswer, ask specific questions.May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcI send my 4 offsprings to Grammar School and proudly so. The choice for me was just not there, the public school alternative was a gigantic step backwards.
From many responses it seems that people think that the only difference between private schools and public schools is the amount of money available.
I disagree, more money to public schools will not make better schools, just fancier equipment and better paint and air conditioners.
The difference between private schools and public schools is the human factor, teachers and students.
If you want a decent public school in Sydney you must move to some of the Eastern Suburbs, and perhaps N. Sydney. Forget the rest.
In stead private schools, take away some well known bad exceptions, are in general safer, including the small under founded struggling, amateurishly managed C.C. Schools.
So the debate is not about public or private, but about who the parents and teachers are.
Some parents are interested in their children results and demand results from the teachers (who by the way are the only profession that has no mechanism to monitor performance, meaning RESULTS that is children that go to university) So the parents that are interested in results, will grill the teachers to do better, even in a public school.
Other parents are convinced that such is the responsibility of the government who should fund the schools better and take away funds from those repugnant evil people from Scott School and King School and the rest of those stinking people who oppress as and who keep us in poverty and …. Ok you get the picture…[biggrin]
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcGrega, can you be more specific?
Give as much detail as you possibly can, not saying you advertise here to sell but if you want answers, you must tickle the curiosity.Too small? Too big? A house? Apartment? Farm?
What price? Where? What sold nearby and at what price?May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcWow, so many good ideas…
Ali G, ring up your insurance company and ask if they insure your content without a deadlock on the door and locks on all windows. I don’t know where you live but in Sydney the answer will be no. The home rented must be insurable and that is for the landlord to provide.
A good quality dead lock from Locksmith is around $70 to $120, depending on model, and you can buy a cheap Chinese for $30, (not recommended, may be left locked out or in).
Monopoly, I have one of those towel racks in my bathroom but it does not heat up the towels at all, unless I roll it tight around the heating bar. I was very disappointed at that, perhaps there are better models available, I don’t know but this one was the big super dooper but no joy …[angry2]
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcYou may travel at the speed of light but relative to some point deemed to be stationary. Your light globe is stationary relative to the photons so they will still go.
Yet if Einstein is to be beleived, you cannot go any faster than speed of light so the answer should be no.
Yet Relativity and quantum phisics are at loggerhaeds and we know that thought can go faster than light, so… somthing to think about that goold old Einstain did not.
[blush2]HuluruMay God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcGood post AussieR even when you make some unfounded assumptions.
I am not defensive, I am enthusiastic, and my enthusiasm stems from having discovered some time ago that I am in control, providing I load my mind with the right values, and have the right thoughts, followed by the right actions.No more “luck” no more “connections”, no more “rich relatives”, no more “favors” necessary for prosperity, only my own mindset and lots of action.
So when I run into some throw away line that bears all the marks of a limiting belief, I start jumping up and down, not so much for myself since I think I have conquered most of those, but for whoever is saying so, nodding gravely, because I know from experience how much damage he/she is doing to himself with his winge.
Take the original post and subsequent responses by Wezwaz, and Mr wez, please don’t think I am having a go at you. This is strictly business.
To me there is some sort of threshold where beyond that you don’t really need the money. For example if I had $1 million net, I know that I could make that grow for the rest of my life in a sustainable manner, without needing to create an empire of hundreds of millions of dollars. An income of $50,000 to $100,000 per year would do me just fine because I know that could achieve everything I want with some to spare.
What is wrong with the above?
Ask a priest and he would say nothing, ask a teacher and he would say nothing, ask a parent and 95% will say nothing.Yet are this people doing Mr Wezwaz any favors?
Not for a minute! They are just being NICE.Unfortunately nice does not cut it and the fact is that such statement says I have implanted in me a belief that anything above 100,000 a year is wrong, and people don’t really need such income.
This belief will act as a constant brake on any business venture or opportunity, constantly monitoring the persons every move in case he takes the right steps toward prosperity. If he ever does even by accident, this anti value will make sure he then takes the wrong turn somehow, in order to sabotage any plans that may see him successful, and of course turn as bad as all those other out there who earn above 100,000
Now this is not a matter of opinion, but basic psychological facts, and certainly not because I say so.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcSo cancer is OK, fat lips is not OK.[blink]
Kay you disappoint me. The money we earn is the result of the value we add, and not the result of some evil unjust irresistible force.
Can we dictate which is the “right” value and which the “wrong”. You can try, but other tried before you, the kings, the communist, the dictators, and the pontiffs of this world have unleashed armies of police for such purpose without much result.
Add value to people’s life and you will get paid accordingly, be it removing a cancer or removing a physical or mental handicap. How much is it worth for you or someone else to have his financial blueprint altered from “$100,000 a year is too much” to “$100,000 a week is cool”?
I say fifty fifty for the first year is just fine with me.[cap]
PS
Why do you use the word “pontificate”, when you refer to my post? it has a clear derogatory component.May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcWezwaz, so you think 3 millions a year is too much and the guy should be content with 300,000.
Why?You don’t give one solitary plausible reason but for your own mindset that 3 millions is too much. I think it is OK …[confused2]
If the person is giving value for money, he should be earning it, that and more. If he is not, (and according to others the value wasn’t there) then even 300k is too much, but not because we feel so but because it is taking without giving.
My wife charges $350 for a consultation that may go for 15 minutes. She sees a lot of patients a day, take away 4 holidays a year, and work out how much she earns. Do you think it is too much? Should I tell her you said so?[biggrin]
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcKay, if statistics are to be believed, about 95% of people have incorporated in their belief system, knowingly or by default, that people who prosper, do so either because they inherited money, know someone that helped them, are “lucky”, are dishonest/evil/or have a pact with the devil, and (if they person is female) she must be sleeping with the one that is pushing her up the ladder.
5% know this to be false but from this, only 2% act on this knowledge and actually bother to change their belief system.
The reason behind such inaction is that most people do not understand the link between what we ARE and what we THINK.
The fundamental and scary truth that we are what we think.If the above is mainstream thinking for you, I am glad. There are of course millions that know the above and I did certainly not invent it. If you move among the right circle I suppose you can call such, common knowledge, but you must have selected your circle of friends very carefully !!
As for seminars versus books, a seminar has clearly a much bigger impact on our mind than a book. Our mind works with all 5 senses and the impact of a (good) seminar will stay with us for a long time. We will see it, hear it, feel it smell it and taste it. Not so a book that takes long time to capture our attention needing to fill in all the blanks with our imagination that may be firing in 3 cylinders on a good day.
You must concede that the predicament of the seminar presenter is unique. Have a free seminar and the public will say, ‘ what’s the catch? ‘ and with reason, there must be one, in the form of something to promote, or the presenter would be home reading a good book or out for dinner.
Charge a large fee, and if your seminar is about finance, the public will again be critical, since the promoted success of the presenter will be adjudicated by the attendees to the fee itself, something on the lines of “Of course you are successful, at the tune of $2000 each here, you are making a mint at our expenses” sort of thinking…
So how much do you charge? Well if you want to be honest you must charge as much as the value you give, yet how can you measure it? You public come from a variety of walks of life. What may be ground braking life changing information for me, may be old rehashed stuff for you. I will come out of my $2000 seminar dizzy and ready to take up mount Everest, and you may come out yawning shaking your head. Was the seminar a failure? Not necessarily.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by trisha007:I was just wondering why Marc is even sprouting his comments on a PI forum if he doesnt believe in it?
Trisha, interesting conclusion. What makes you think I don’t “belive” in property investing? (we need defining the word believe at this point I suppose
I am a non-conformist, and find some forms of standard thinking amusing. My post have the purpose of making people think. In the process it is inevitable that someone gets annoyed.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcHi Westan.
I am not surprised you are annoyed. In fact I think it is inevitable.
You say I don’t know what you are thinking and you ae right.
I don’t know your conscious thoughts, those you control entirely.Yet I know from what you wrote that you have, like the majority do, an array of values that have been planted in your subconscious by… lets call it the environment, that are not serving you. Your comments about KP and other stereotypes give you away.
Of course since you are in business and not an employee dreaming of a social revolution, you must intellectualise and bend some of the mass misconceptions or you couldn’t live with yourself succeeding.
I of course don not know in which way you have qualified the idea that “rich are evil”, but if hundred of others I have spoken with about this topic can be an example, most put a mental threshold to what is acceptable and it generally does not go much further than our own aspirations. Sort like a million a year is OK one billion is obscene, idea.Don’t think for a moment that I am telling you off. I am just expressing some concepts that a) have been discovered long time ago, b) are explained and told by others much more elegantly than I can. c)unless someone else points this out to you, you or me or anyone else, would have difficulties realising it.
Find that book and give your prosperity conciousness a boost, or change your financial blue print like some like to say.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by wezwaz:…..Yeh, I know he is filthy stinkin’ rich and has succeeded beyond what most of us could imagine. He definitely has something most of us don’t – an overwhelming drive to create a successful business? Are we all similarly motivated? No, because it is not in everyone’s nature. I am good at crunching numbers but I am not creative enough to build a business…..
Wez.Hi Wez. Unfortunately you say it all in the above paragraph. Do you want to prosper? Stop seeing prosperous people as “filthy” “stinking” – and stop seeing yourself as prosperity being “not in your nature” – not “creative enough ” and other derogatory self pitying comments like that.
If you think rich are filthy but good natured people with other abilities that do not include making money are soo cool, well, you have made your own path to mediocrity and lack of money.Nothing wrong with that, we all choose what we want to be, you have chosen not to make money, not to succeed in business because you have this idea that it is wrong to succeed. Oh yes, you have decorated this idea with lots of socially acceptable concepts. And you are not alone, you belong about 95% of the population.
Try to snap out of you limiting beliefs and you may find that success is a state of mind, a choice, and that you don’t need special talents, just the right belief system.May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
Marc
