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  • Profile photo of Mike R.Mike R.
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    Hi everyone
    Closing in on my first IP within the next month. One thing I’m a little nervous about and need knowledge in is what happens when RBA rates rise.. I’m looking at an Interest only loan and a 90% LVR. Is this a wise decision with rates likely to rise in the next couple of years or worth going for a 20 deposit or 80% LVR. Also, what is the general procedure when rates rise? Do a lot of people instantly raise tenants rents to keep CF at a steady rate?
    Thanks for the help..
    Michael

    Profile photo of TheNewGuyTheNewGuy
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    I fix my loans. Pro and cons with doing that. I just fixed mine for 4.3% for 3 years interest only.

    You can’t raise rent if the tenant is under a lease (as far as I’m aware) unless it’s stated in it, even if they are not on a fixed lease you can only go to market rent. At least in the ACT.

    Profile photo of BennyBenny
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    Hi Mike,
    Re this :-

    I’m looking at an Interest only loan and a 90% LVR. Is this a wise decision with rates likely to rise in the next couple of years or worth going for a 20 deposit or 80% LVR.

    Borrowing the maximum you can borrow allows you the maximum flexibility. A smart move would be to set up an Offset account against the Mortgage account – into this, you can CHOOSE to add an amount per month that brings your SANF (Sleep At Night Factor) under control. e.g. you might choose to pay an amount of Interest as though you have a P&I loan at 80%. This might be an extra $400 a month (say) so you “pay” this extra into the Offset.

    The act of adding funds to the Offset means that you owe LESS Interest as your funds accumulate in the OFFSET account. Since it is all your own cash, it can be removed from the Offset at any time, and for any purpose.

    That purpose could be –
    1. To actually PAY DOWN the mortgage you still have on the IP (not what most would choose, but at least you can learn that this IS an option – and THAT can help with SANF too).
    2. You might have found another “deal of the century” and you need to lock it up with a Deposit paid immediately.
    3. You can take a world trip if you wish.

    Go here :-
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410491-the-big-picture-for-new-readers-especially/#post-4697973
    ….. to read a heap more about Offset accounts – learning of these is well worth your time !! ;)

    Benny

    PS One other option might be to Fix the Rates now. With talk that Interest Rates may be about to drop further, this may work against you, but then you can be CERTAIN that the payments WON’T rise in the next x years.

    The WORST time to fix is after they have already risen, and we panic and fix just so our payments can’t rise EVEN MORE. That is a super-bad time to fix, and this kind of action caught many in 2008 after KRudd was made PM, and famously quoted “The inflation genie is out of the bottle” – leading to the RBA increasing rates as the rest of the globe were madly CUTTING their rates. Our rates got to 9% thanks to KRudd – and some homebuyers then FIXED in case the Rates went even HIGHER. They didn’t (and shouldn’t have gone up at all) and these folk were left with Rates fixed at 9% while the rest of us got to see around 5% by year’s end.

    So, don’t be in a rush to fix – but, if you wanted to, now is not such a bad time……

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Closing in on my first IP within the next month. One thing I’m a little nervous about and need knowledge in is what happens when RBA rates rise.. I’m looking at an Interest only loan and a 90% LVR. Is this a wise decision with rates likely to rise in the next couple of years or worth going for a 20 deposit or 80% LVR. Also, what is the general procedure when rates rise?

    Hey Mike

    If you’re concerned about rate rises then it might be a good idea to go with a 10% deposit (rather than 20%) and drop the remaining 10% into a linked offset. That way you’ll have a contingency fund.

    As for rates – they’ll go back up eventually but not anytime soon IMO. Certainly won’t go up rapidly – and your rental income should also increase over time.

    If it’s your first/only loan then I wouldn’t fix the entire debt. Doing so generally means forgoing flexibility such as linking up an offset, etc

    Cheers

    Jamie

    Jamie Moore | Pass Go Home Loans Pty Ltd
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    Profile photo of StoreybuilderStoreybuilder
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    Buffer account.

    That’s the answer to everything. SANF and everything.

    I work with peers earning at least $100,000 a year, and when the pay is a day late, which it actually is on time, they’re used to it a day early, anyway, when it’s late by their expectation, the clamber about and huff about bills and other expenses…

    Whatever, no matter your income, no buffer, you’re in the poo.

    Buffer can be an offset account (super good as it reduces interest). It could be in any form. 95% to 50% LVR is irrelevant, what are the multipliers, how many pays can you miss before it hurts? That’s the question, you gotta be able to tread water a while.

    Profile photo of Mike R.Mike R.
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    Thanks guys, exactly the answers I was looking for.
    Mike

    Profile photo of Tony FlemingTony Fleming
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    As others have stated offset account is great for having flexibility. Also if you can get to 88 lvr the lmi drops a bit. Congratulations on your first ip when’s the second, third and fourth coming :)

    Tony Fleming | Triumphant Property Group
    http://www.triumphantpropertygroup.com.au
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    NSW Buyer's Agent specialising in Western Sydney-Blue Mountains-Orange-Albury

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