Dear investors,
Help me calculate ROI for this investment please
How do you think what would be the approximate price of this property without a contract?
http://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-qld-surfers+paradise-119307259My estimate is $180-220K but I’m just a newbie :)
Best regards,
Alex-
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RussianAussie (QLD).
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Never mind about the price. It’s not a great investment proposition. Just looking at the holding costs quoted in the ad, it is cashflow negative even if you bought the place without a mortgage.
38067-31611-3604-5922 = – $3070 per annum. That’s a loss of $3070 per annum, even if you bought the property for cash without the burden of mortgage repayments.
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Thank you for your reply!
If this property costs above $250K it could be still a good investment
Cost: $115K+$3K*8years=$139K
Final cost in 2022:
$180K, compound annual ROI = 3.28%
$200K, ROI = 4.65%
$250K, ROI = 7.61%
$300K, ROI = 10.09%So the question is what final 2022 price could be assuming 0% p.a. capital gains?
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AlexRussianAussie (QLD)
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So you are asking what the price could be in 2022 with 0% capital gain? The answer is the same as today.
Regarding ROI: The property is running a loss of $3070 p.a. and assuming 0% capital growth, the ROI will be -ve.
This is a negatively geared property and you would solely rely on capital growth for returns.
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AndrewsuperAndrew | Property Analyser and Finder Tool
https://property-analyser.com.auHello Andrew,
Today’s this 112 m2 property costs $115K that is significantly below Gold Coast average because it’s under a contract
Are you sure that the price will be the same without the contract that will end in 2022?
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AlexRussianAussie (QLD)
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Sorry I didn’t get the contract part.
Investors have difficulty estimating the value of a property today but you want to estimate it 7 years into the future. Any answer you come up with will be heavily reliant on your assumptions.
If your strategy is to buy this property with the contract at a discounted price and then sell it when the contract expires then you can:
1. Figure out the value of the property today without the contract using comparable sales.
2. Estimate an average capital growth rate for the next 7 years. (Here you can’t just take an average capital growth rate that includes houses, townhouse and apartments. It should be specific to the property type and number of beds)
3. Apply the cap rate to the value of the property without the contract.Then you can use that value, the purchase price and holding costs to estimate the ROI.
Cheers
AndrewsuperAndrew | Property Analyser and Finder Tool
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Keep in mind that this is in a building with many apartments and many different owners. It is quite unlikely that at the end of the contract, every owner will vote to not renew the contract. Be careful in assuming the use of the property will become normal residential at the end of the contract. Many a person has been stung by this assumption.
Jacqui Middleton | Middleton Buyers Advocates
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Email Me | Phone MeVIC Buyers' Agents for investors, home buyers & SMSFs.
So owners do not have a direct agreement with the management if they have to vote, don’t they?
Who is usually the second participant of the agreement with onsite management in this case? Body corporate?
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Alex-
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Keep in mind that this is in a building with many apartments and many different owners. It is quite unlikely that at the end of the contract, every owner will vote to not renew the contract. Be careful in assuming the use of the property will become normal residential at the end of the contract. Many a person has been stung by this assumption.
Do all the owners need to agree not to renew the contract? I guess you would need to read the contract in detail.
Given the current yield of the property I don’t see it that unlikely that they wouldn’t vote to renew it.
Cheers
AndrewsuperAndrew | Property Analyser and Finder Tool
https://property-analyser.com.auIt only takes one person with insufficient understanding or business smarts to be the odd one out and mess up a unanimous vote…
Jacqui Middleton | Middleton Buyers Advocates
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OMG!
If I decide to participate in such type of deal, I will hire best real estate solicitors to check these papers
Thank you for the advice!
Alex
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I think this concept is designed for only one winner and it’s not the guy buying in.
If there is clearly a “Greed Button” being pushed by the seller then buyer beware!
Assumptions that sound all-good on paper usually come back to bite the buyer, long after the seller is gone.
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Email MeAway from all of that good luck in getting finance at anything over around 50% lvr (if you were lucky).
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Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender
Thank you!
Alex
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