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  • Profile photo of Paul B.Paul B.
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    Hi,

    I am looking to get my feet wet in PI and need some advice.

    My partner and I currently have $40,000 of useable equity in our home. We have a combined weekly income of $1500 and are paying $500 a week in repayments. Our homeloan is linked to a 100% offset account.

    I am looking at a property that has the following:

    Type: Dwelling house

    Price: $190,000

    Land: 1300m2

    Rent: $270 p/w

    The property is in a growing area that has a couple of major infrastructure, commercial and industrial developments underway.

    Basically I see that we have two options:

    1. Buy the house and rent out as is.

    2. Step 1 as well as subdivide the block and sell the vacant block.

    There is a block of land in the same street for sale for $90,000 (640m2).

    What do you guys suggest? How would you go about financing and structuring the purchase?

    Profile photo of TheFinanceShopTheFinanceShop
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    Which state are we talking about? Whats the postcode? How are you calculating equity? 

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    Profile photo of Paul B.Paul B.
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    Hi Shahin,

    It is located in NSW (Hunter Valley).

    I calculated equity by finding 80% of the difference between what the property is worth and what is owing on it.

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    Hunter Valley is a massive area so you need to speak to your banker or broker to check that there are no restrictions on postcode but I highly doubt that there would be so you should be ok. 

    You are also calculating equity correctly which is great. 

    You shouldn't have any issues with finance and the application seems straight forward. Keep the facilities separate/standalone and have a linked offset.  

    Perhaps get some upfront vals to double check the equity.

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    Profile photo of Paul B.Paul B.
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    Hi Shahin,

    When you are referring to restrictions on postcodes, do you mean that if the property is in a particular postcode the lender may refuse the loan?

    How would I structure the loan? The way I see it is I would release equity in PPOR to cover deposit and purchasing fees of investment property. I would have both loans with the same lender.

    Some questions:

    1. Is it safe to assume I can achieve the same interest rate with the second loan?

    2. How does using equity to purchase the property affect the security of my PPOR? If I default on the investment loan does that threaten my PPOR loan?

    3. Is it necessary to have a second offset account? Or am I just as well off to have any savings in my (existing) PPOR offset account?

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    Re postcodes it depends – some banks will not lend to some postcodes and other will have restrictions on either the LVR or the loan amount or both. Double check but you should be fine. 

    Re structuring the loan – this is the set up:

    Property 1:

    PPOR Value: $400K (example)

    PPOR Loan (a/c 123): $280k (example)

    Loan 2 – Deposit for other purchase (a/c 456): $40k

    Total LVR: 80%

    Property 2:

    IP Value: $190k

    IP Loan: $150k 

    Total LVR: 80%

    Therefore you will have 2 new loans one for $40k against your PPOR and one against the IP itself. 

    You can do this with different lenders but with those loan amounts you are better off with one lender. Shop around and see if there are better deals in the market. Using equity doesn't affect the PPOR if you do it as per the above. Depends on if you are going to convert the PPOR to an IP. If no then best to park all available funds against the PPOR since its not tax deductible.

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    Profile photo of Paul B.Paul B.
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    Hi Shahin,

    That's great, thank you for clarifying that for me.

    I noticed you assumed I would be placing a deposit of 20% against the IP. I would be looking to put down 10% as I need to absorb purchasing costs in the 40,000 equity in my PPOR.

    Is 10% seen as too small?

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    No issues with 10% but what are the costs you are referring to re 'purchasing costs'? Do you mean stamp duty costs, tc?

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    Profile photo of Paul B.Paul B.
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    Yes, I presume I would be up for all the costs I was hit with buying our PPOR? Are purchasing costs tax deductible? Come to think of it I would be up for LMI if I borrow 90%. Maybe a deposit of 15% would be better.

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    In short if you are purchasing a property for $190k in NSW with a $40k deposit then your LVR is almost 82% and the LMI would be around $800. You can capitalise this on top of the loan. 

    Therefore the costs are not as much as you think. The other costs would be the conveyancing costs which is around $1,500 and the Building and Pest Inspection Report which is $500. 

    What is the loan against your PPOR? Also if possible get an upfront valuation on the PPOR to ensure that you have the equity that you need for the IP purchase.

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    Profile photo of Paul B.Paul B.
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    Plus Stamp Duty? Are any of these expenses deductible?

    The outstanding amount on the loan is $325,000. The house was purchased for $371,000.

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi Paul

    Welcome aboard.

    With $40k, it's not going to cover a 20% deposit and costs on a $190k purchase as you've alluded to. It would be in excess of $45k at least when you take into account stamp duty, legals, ect. 

    However, that's not the end of the world because a lend higher than 80%  for an IP  in the hunter shouldn't be an issue from a location perspective. We've financed heaps of them for forum clients over the years.

    You mentioned interest rates in one of your posts above. If sticking with the same lender for the IP loan, then you should be getting at least the same rate or lower. When your total borrowings go up with a lender, you can often negotiate on the rate – your banker/broker should be able to arrange this on your behalf.  

    Also, think about your longer term plans and what you're aiming to get out of property investing.

    If you're looking to purchase multiple properties in the near future then maybe look to hold back on spending the entire $40k on the first purchase and retain some for the next.

    You may even consider accessing more equity in your PPOR – but then you need to look at how comfortable you are with risk.

    There's lots to consider.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    No stamp duty is included in the above numbers. 

    The total loan amount is tax deductible. Not sure when you purchased the property at $371k but definitely look at an upfront val. They are free and will let you know exactly what you can do with the equity. 

    I get the feeling you haven't discussed this with your banker or broker?

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    Hi Paul

    Which lender is your current PPOR with?

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of Paul B.Paul B.
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    Hi Shahin,

    No you guys are the first port of call in this instance. Once my partner is 100% on board then we will take it to the lender. I will look into getting a valuation.

    Cheers.

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    Hi Jamie,

    Thanks for the welcome. I am with NAB.

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    Start with the upfront val to determine the equity and tee up a time to see your banker and broker about the numbers. 

    Also re finance submit the loan as the worst case (high loan amount) you think you will need in case you decide to use the funds for renovations, subdivision, etc.

    Regards

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    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Excellent, they'll do upfront vals. Ask your broker/banker to arrange for you.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Sorry Shahin, I might be reading it wrong, but it doesn't sound like Paul is calculating equity correctly. Its sounds like he is subtracting the loan amount from the value, and then using 80% of this figure.

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    BigCubez wrote:
    Sorry Shahin, I might be reading it wrong, but it doesn't sound like Paul is calculating equity correctly. Its sounds like he is subtracting the loan amount from the value, and then using 80% of this figure.

    Yep, you could be right there.

    Paul, what's the actual value of your property and what is the loan amount?

    Cheers

    Jamie

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