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  • Profile photo of EdmundStEdmundSt
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    Hi all,

    Can somebody please look over the below sums and let me know if i have done the correct maths for an IP?

    i have been presented with an opportunity to purchase a family home direct from vendor at below market value (they need to sell within 7 days). My initial thought is to quickly purchase and immediately place back the property on the market.

    Purchase price – $700,000

    EXPENSES:

    Stamp duty – 38,350

    5% deposit – 35,000

    legal fees – 1,000

    TOTAL = $74,530

    Sold price – $800,000 (8 weeks post settlement date)

    gross profit = 100,000

    real estate commission – (2%) 16,000

    CGT – $30,000

    holding cost – $5,500

    NET PROFIT – $48,500

    net profit – total expenses =     -$26,030

    So based on the above figures – i am out of pocket $26,030 despite selling for extra $100,000?

    Have i missed anything or miss-calculated all together?

    Thanks

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    You forgot the legal fees of the selling process, and mortgage discharge fees.  It goes like this:

    800000 … sell price

    -16000  … agent commission

    -1000 ….   selling legal fees

    -3000 ….   guestimate at mortgage discharge fees

    -700000    original price

    -38350      stamp duty

    -1000        buying legal fees

    -5500        holding costs


    $35,150 = gross profit

    CGT is dependant on your tax bracket.  Let's say you are in the 37c tax bracket. 

    CGT would thus be $35,150*0.37 = $13,005.50

    Net profit would thus be $35,150 – $13,005.50 = $22,144.50

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    Profile photo of EdmundStEdmundSt
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    Thanks jacM. 

    So iI then deduct my deposit of 35,000, I am left with a net loss of -$12,855.50?

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    No- don't deduct the deposit again.  The $35,000 formed part of the original $700,000 purchase price, which was taken into consideration in JacM's calculations above.

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    Sounds like a lot of risk for $12k. Is the $800k a conservative sales price? What if it takes 12 weeks to sell etc.

    I had the same scenario drop into my lap last month. Same figures, I realised I’d rather use the money to buy 2-3 positive geared properties where the variables were more manageable.

    Then again, I ain’t no millionaire :p

    Profile photo of mick64mick64
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    What about Mortgage insurance on the initial purchase…….aprox 30k

    Looks like a tight deal.

    Mick

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    It shows the power of doing your numbers up front. If you could have purchased the property on an options contract then onsold you have reduced your exposure and risk substantially.

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Yep, though in Vic you still have to pay stamp duty I believe

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    Profile photo of EdmundStEdmundSt
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    Thanks for the response. 

    Mortgage insurance from my understanding would be added on to the principle and therefore increase holding cost by roughly $500 for the 6 weeks?

    the median house price for the suburb is $850k so I am using hopefully worst case figures. 

    If the property does not sell then that would be the joys of property investing. 

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    EdmundSt wrote:
    Thanks for the response. 

    Mortgage insurance from my understanding would be added on to the principle and therefore increase holding cost by roughly $500 for the 6 weeks?

    the median house price for the suburb is $850k so I am using hopefully worst case figures. 

    If the property does not sell then that would be the joys of property investing. 

    LMI can be added to the loan in some cases but it is still can expenses and will be paid for in full as the loan balance increases.

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    Two things. First stamp duty is calculated at market value, so even if you bought it at a discounted price, if it is valued at the $800K mark, you will need to pay stamp duty at that number.

    Secondly LMI can theoretically be added to the loan, but it is a cost that won't be recouped in full if at all. Therefore it will eat into your profit.

    Cheers

    Tom

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