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  • Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    Hi everybody,

    I'm new to the forum, first post. Let me just introduce myself for a bit, I have always wanted to get into property investing from a young age. But I have lost sight of that once I got into uni and started to party. However, now that I have graduate and is working full time, that interest is back. So I started reading Steve McKnight's "From 0 to 130 properties in 3.5 years" (half way thru) and various property investing magazine. I feel that I'm ready to start the process of investing.

    From what I have read, to be successful you will need good help or a team working with you. I was just wondering who I need?? eg accountants, lawyer, property manager etc?? and if you could recommend any of these people. I'm from Sydney and would like to start investing in NSW to begin with. Also, my main strategy is to gain positive cash flow properties and eventually quit my job!

    Also any other tips are welcome eg once I have assemble my team, should I start looking for properties or try to get a pre-approval loan first?? really just the process which you guys go into to get an investment property 

    Cheers

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi and welcome aboard.

    Don't forget a good mortgage broker :-)

    A good broker will listen to your plans, assess your borrowing capacity and make recommendations on loan structure. They should make the whole financing part of things easy while you focus on finding properties.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    The answer is the same for any business you would go into.

    Surround yourself with people who are knowledgable in their field, who are competant at what they do, who are willing to be challenged by circumstances and outcomes .. and who will work with you consistantly.

    Property ownership, maintenance and renovations from your side of the equation should act like a well lubricated cog in a clock, the actions should take place soon after commiting them as a task, the results should be as good as you asked for OR BETTER, and you should be able to continue with repeat business.

    Build steady and ongoing relationships with finance institutions to make things happen easier. Either through a broker or a bank itself. Make sure that for all the people you work with .. working with you is easy and there are no arguments. I believe that every time you get angry about anything in front of someone (even justified !) you will LOSE long term. Think about that.

    Always hold your position UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE. If someone says he can do better on a project .. will that be at the same quoted price? Or will that be extra? Sometimes the specialist may know better .. other times you may be just getting the runaround. Never be afraid to query a quote .. or a timing on a job. The minute you stop being in control of the operation of your property .. you delegate to someone else. And that in itself .. can be disasterous.

    Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    cool thanks for the advice drew.

    also Jamie you have a good point. i will look into a mortgage broker since getting finance will be an important part of investing.

    cheers

    Profile photo of TheFinanceShopTheFinanceShop
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    G'Day CMartyn,

    Save as much money as you can – if you have a car sell it and park the funds in a term deposit and just add to it. Live on a budget and save every single cent. Do everything you can to save funds. The amount of deposit you have will dictate the amount of funds you can borrow (servicing is the other factor) which in turn will dictate how much you can buy. 

    A lot of first buyers or investors have an issue with the amount of deposit so try and save as much as you can. I have one client that purchased her first house when she was 18 and is now 26 and has 4 properties. She only went travelling last year and bought her first car a few weeks ago.

    Regards

    Shahin

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    Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    Nice, thanks for the advice Shahin. I think that saving is really important too. I currently have a decent deposit or saving ($60k) i think. So right now im just trying find out as much information as i can before i start investing. I only really seriously started reading on investment property for a month. So hopefully i will get into it soon.

    Profile photo of TheFinanceShopTheFinanceShop
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    $60k is a great amount to start investing with. I also recommend that you start looking locally. Go to open houses, auctions and get a feel for property types (not just a unit or house but think properties that you may be able to develop). Speak to RL agents and get a feel for what sells and what doesn't. Which part/area of Sydney are you from?

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    Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    Im from the Northern beaches area so the price there is abit high for my taste. I want to start investing in something alittle cheaper with positive cash flow (hopefully) to start with. Maybe an option is looking just abit outside of sydney. 

    I'm currently working as a mining engineer in WA so i can save a bit especially since i still live at home. But i am away half the time, I do 8 days on and 6 days off roster. However, that can be useful as I have 6 days off in a row which i can spend that time looking or researching for property.

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    I am from the North Shore and have 2 properties within Western Sydney (around Mount Druitt and even South West Sydney). There are some good yields in those areas. Positive cashflow in about 1-2 years. You have to be careful of certain things though when buying in those areas. 

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    Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    Yea nice, I was thinking of those areas as well from reading magazine. I'm also interested in Orange and Bathurst, also I wouldnt mind checking out the Hunter Valley area. 

    Also back to my question, as i wanted to start investing. I want to surround myself with a good team and I want hear from experienced investor or even the new ones who is starting out and having success. Who should i be talking too?? or rather who i should be getting familiar with such as

    • is an accountant important??
    • how important is a mortgage broker
    • financial advisor/planner?? 
    • property manager??
    • should I work together with a real estate agent in finding a positive cashflow property or should I go in alone since i have heard that real estate agent cant be trusted (or am I being crazy?)

    Cheers

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    Hi

    Just sharing what we have learnt so far from our property investing journey….

    A good mortgage broker is very important.  You need one who responds quickly and thinks outside the square, one whose first answer to an obstacle is "how could we…." instead of a straight "No, can't be done". 

    Next, good accountant who is not only great at doing your tax return, but can help you structure your portfolio to the best tax advantage.  We have outgrown ours and currently looking for "the one"! :-)

    Fantastic property manager is your next best friend.  Keeping a good relationship is very important – you want them to have your best interest at heart!  Remember, they are also your ears and eyes to the property news in your investment area.

    Also, don't forget about legal advice.  You will need this when time comes for your contract preparation.

    Above all, you are your own best friend!  Seek advice where you need the expertise, surround yourself with experts, but don't be lazy.  Continue to self educate.  We find website forums (like this one) is like the bottomless well of knowledge – we learn new thing everytime we log in. 

    Good luck!

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    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    cmartyn23 wrote:
    Yea nice, I was thinking of those areas as well from reading magazine. I'm also interested in Orange and Bathurst, also I wouldnt mind checking out the Hunter Valley area. 

    Also back to my question, as i wanted to start investing. I want to surround myself with a good team and I want hear from experienced investor or even the new ones who is starting out and having success. Who should i be talking too?? or rather who i should be getting familiar with such as

    • is an accountant important??
    • how important is a mortgage broker
    • financial advisor/planner?? 
    • property manager??
    • should I work together with a real estate agent in finding a positive cashflow property or should I go in alone since i have heard that real estate agent cant be trusted (or am I being crazy?)

    Cheers

    A good accountant and broker are the most important IMO.

    A good property manager also plays an important role.

    A financial advisor/planner probably won't add too much value

    It's good to build rapport with agents in the area that you're looking to purchase. I wouldn't rely on one to find me a property though.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    Cheers for the advice Jamie again.. and thanks samson for your input. This has clear up alot of things for me.. thanks everyone. Now to find the right people for the job.. :)

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    As i say to most new investor clients when choosing a mortgage broker it is matter of looking at someone who walks the walk and talks the same talk as you do.

    No point in going to a local broker telling him you have $300K equity want to build a portfolio and ask him to structure a loan set up for you when he tells you he has 5% equity in his PPOR and has never purchased an IP.

    I mean would you go to a Dentist telling him you had toothache when he tells you that he has never done an extraction but very keep and read all of the books.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    As i say to most new investor clients when choosing a mortgage broker it is matter of looking at someone who walks the walk and talks the same talk as you do.

    No point in going to a local broker telling him you have $300K equity want to build a portfolio and ask him to structure a loan set up for you when he tells you he has 5% equity in his PPOR and has never purchased an IP.

    I mean would you go to a Dentist telling him you had toothache when he tells you that he has never done an extraction but very keep and read all of the books.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Or a mid-wife who has never given birth!

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Exactly Terry you know what i am relating to.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Terryw wrote:

    Or a mid-wife who has never given birth!

    LOL – it's a scary thought….but I guess there's a first time for everything.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    yea those are all good points you guys are making… do you have any recommendation for me in terms of mortgage broker, accountant or legal??? 

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    cmartyn23 wrote:
    yea those are all good points you guys are making… do you have any recommendation for me in terms of mortgage broker, accountant or legal??? 

    Nah, wouldn't know where to find a broker!? Don't think Richard or Jamie would know either.

    Where are you located?

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    Profile photo of cmartyn23cmartyn23
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    I'm from Sydney, northern beaches…

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