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  • Profile photo of chrismat23chrismat23
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    Hi everyone,

    I'm fairly new to all this but am really eager to learn more off the people on here. Ive been doing a bit of reading on the internet as well as books about family trusts. I have a basic understanding about it and would like to ask if you guys think it is the best path for me. My situation so far is we have our family home that i would like to use the equity for to begin in aquiring IP. There is no outstanding mortgage and selling it is not an option (i know) I have around 20k in genuine savings and have no cc, loans, etc.

    My question is whether to start a family trust in order to seperate lifestyle with investment or aquire a piggy bank then start the trust. If so what's a ballpark cost figure that will get this up and going? If me being a guarantor are there any tax benefits? are there any major risks? If the house isnt under my name will this still work?

    Ive got a heap more questions but dont want to flood u guys with silly ones.

    Thanks,

    Chris

    Profile photo of bjsaustbjsaust
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    I'm no expert, but I did just cover off a few of these things with my accountant yesterday.

    Cost to setup a trust is minimal, few hundred dollars, with no ongoing costs if you decide not to make use of it for a while.

    If you want to setup a corporate trustee though, the corporation costs a bit more to setup, and has annual ASIC fees to pay (around $220 per year) whether you're doing anything with the trust or not.

    As far as the trust goes, there are two main benefits

    1) Income distribution. You don't mention salaries, but for instance if you're in a higher tax bracket than your wife, the trust can choose to distribute income to her and not you, saving on tax. It allows greater flexibility also, for instance maybe at this moment you're on the same tax bracket, but one of you wishes to retire before the other, so for now the income could be split evenly, but in the future the income could be directed to the retired person entirely. If you purchase in your own names, this is a one off decision that lasts for the entire time you own the property.

    2) Asset protection. If you bought the IP in your own name, and something went wrong and you got sued, then they can come after all your assets (i.e., your family home as well). If you secure off the IP in a separate entity you have protection against this. I'm a lot less certain about this, but I think this really needs to be done as a corporate trustee rather than personal trustee to achieve the protection, but either someone else here or an accountant/lawyer could help clear it up.

    As for cons, the main one is that while income is (must be) distributed, losses are quarantined within the trust. So if you 'negative gear' a property, you don't actually get any tax benefits as those losses can't be offset against your personal income, they stay within the trust and get accumulated to eventually offset future gains. So you do kind of get a benefit, but its delayed, not immediate like most people want from negative gearing.

    As for using the equity as against saving up for the trust, the way I had it described to me is that I would personally take out the loan (in fact this would be a sub-account/split loan on the existing) to access the equity, and then basically sign an agreement between myself and the trust to reloan the money to the trust at exactly the same rates, so basically the trust pays the interest to me and I pay the bank meaning no net profit/loss personally. In your situation having no outstanding loan/mortgage I'm not sure if maybe that opens up further options though.

    Hope that helps, and if I'm off on anything hopefully someone more expert will chime in.

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    BJ has pretty much covered it.

    One of the major disadvantages of a trust is that you cannot claim any loss of the trust against your personal income. In Chris' case there is no loan or personal debt and $20k in savings so I think it would be a good idea to use a trust.

    This is because any spare cash can be gifted to the trust (asset protection and tax advantages). Any loss from investing will be short term as the trust builds up cash (put into an offset account maybe) and rents increase. Any positive cashflow can be dealt with tax effectively from there.

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