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  • Profile photo of PetriaPetria
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    Help Please!

    We are looking at buying another IP (house on 1700sqm land) with the aim to subdivide and sell the vacant land and keep the house as a rental property. As the rental property will be slighty negatively geared I would like to keep in our own names to get the tax benefit, but if we sell the land in our own names will be up for a large tax amount. After we have subdivided can we transfer the title of the vacant land into our family trust and then sell and distribute the funds in the most tax effective manner. I know we will be up for stamp duty on the transfer, but will we need to pay any other costs? Does this sound like a good idea or can you guys think of another strategy to reduce tax?

    Thanks
    Petria

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    You could buy the property in a unit trust, as this offers more flexibility. In the future if you wish to change the percentage of ownership in the land, you could gradually redeem units or transfer units. You would be up for CGT on the sale of the units, but you could do this over time (say 5-10% per year) in order to minimise the amount of tax payable.

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    Luke

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    The land will also need to be transferring at market value to the trust, so you may be up for some significant cgt on the sale of the land as well as the stamp duty. If you are simply going to transfer the land into the trust and then sell it, there is no benefit in transferring it thru to the trust as it will have just been transferred in at market value anyway, so there will be no gain conceivably in the trust on sale.

    Too many people focus on the negative gearing benefits. You are doing this project to make capital gains, so the negative gearing benefits short term in your own names may be meaningless in the bigger picture. Dont forget you dont loose the benefits of the negative gearing in the trust, they are just carried forward and offset against what will hopefully be a sizeable gain in the future.

    I hope you are also ontop of the GST implications of the subdivision?

    Watch using unit trusts as any cgt discounting benefits may be lost on distribution of the profit out of the trust.

    Profile photo of PetriaPetria
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    Thanks for the comments. So we would be better buying in the trust initially

    We are registered for GST ?

    Petria

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    Petria,

    Deciding on a structure is very specific to your personal situation and specific to each individual property deal. It is not a one size fits all for everybody, and even may be different for the same person from deal to deal.

    When deciding a structure, you have to put together your best guess of what will happen during the life of your project and work out what structure will best suit that situation.

    I will say that your idea of holding in your own name and then transferring to the trust after subdivision to sell will be of no benefit to you as discussed earlier.

    You really need to be talking to someone about your individual circumstances, what exactly you are expecting to get out of the deal, ie. timeframes, expected profits, family structure as far as who the trust can distribute to etc.

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    Cheers,
    Craig

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    You would lose any main residence CGT exemption with the trust, so this may not be ideal if you are buying with the intention to live in part of it.

    What you could consider is to buy it in your name jointly with a trust. You would set up a deed of partition so that you each own the same percentage as the final carve up of the block, then when subdivison goes through you could avoid stamp duty (or pay nominal amount) and end up with one block in your name and one block in the trust. CGT would be delayed on this transfer too I think.

    Talk to your lawyer

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    Profile photo of PetriaPetria
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    Thanks Terry, that is thinking outside of the box! I will do some investigating.

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    What state is your land in?

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    Profile photo of PetriaPetria
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    Property is in NSW

    Petria

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    see s30 Duties Act
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/da199793/s30.html

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    Profile photo of PetriaPetria
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    great, i will have a read,  thank you Terry

    Petria

    Profile photo of PetriaPetria
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    That is way above me……

    Terry do you or anybody else know if I joined the results metoring program would they provide advise on legal things like this?

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    i doubt it. Most lawyers don't even know about it.

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    Profile photo of PetriaPetria
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    have you used the structure that you mentioned above?

    Petria

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    nope

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