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    Hi Everyone,
    Just a quick question,
    What is the bloody difference between 100% offset and a Line Of Credit.
    At the moment I have a Line of Credit Home loan with St George am I able to put a 100% offset with that account ??????
    Thanks karlm

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    Hi Karlm

    An offset account is a loan “feature.”

    A line of credit is a type of loan.

    Think of an offset account as a savings account linked to your home loan.

    Instead of being paid interest on your savings (as you would a normal savings account) – the money in your offset account reduces the amount of interest you pay on your home loan.

    In example, if you had a $100k interest only loan and you opened up an offset account against this loan and popped $10k in there – you’d now only be paying interest on $90k (that is, until you withdraw the money from the offset and the amount goes back up).

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    Thanks Jamie for the quick reply,
    I have a LOC with St george am I able to have a offset account with that.
    Is that the way to go or just change the home loan al together

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    There are some serious tax consequences with using a LOC.

    Since a LOC is a loan then you can get into trouble by paying into and taking money out of it. Each deposit is a repayment and each withdrawal is new borrowings.

    This means that if you ever used a LOC like this* for an investment property, or a property that may become an investment property, then you can be left with a large loan that is not deductible.

    * I mean if you withdraw money for personal expenses.

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    Apart from the fact that a LOC has no term, there is very little benefit. In fact it simply lines the pockets STG or other financial institution whatever the case.

    I would only use a LOC if you are in serious doubt of future income.

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    There is a little difference between offset account and line of credit. The main advantage of line of credit is that if you take a regular loan then interest is not charged. The interest is only paid on money actually withdrawn. 

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    anntoro wrote:
    There is a little difference between offset account and line of credit. The main advantage of line of credit is that if you take a regular loan then interest is not charged. The interest is only paid on money actually withdrawn. 

    Err not so.

    Jamie’s answer explain offset and LOC perfectly.
    Terry and number 8- provides a good point about the tax consequences ( which is really important and could save you thousands!)

    karlm – to answer your question, yes you can have an offset account with a LOC; but NOT with St George bank.
    It’s offered by NAB, ANZ ( sub accounts)…just to name a few.

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    HI Michael

    Are these ANZ/NAB LOCs and offset accounts completely separate, ie different account numbers for each?

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    ANZ one is- they are sub accounts.
    NAB one is the same account – so a true offset.

    Either way, having the LOC there can cause a lot of tax issues; once you start mixing non table debt with taxable one’s, and then it an get more messy with the offset…
    Having the offset is more of a “marketing tool” i reckon.

    LOC is only good if it’s ALL investment and no contamination.

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    Michael

    The NAB one does appear to be a LOC with the offset option, but is it really an offset account of just a redraw facility?

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    100% offset.

    Edit- However i should be a bit more clear here, even though it’s sold and advertised as an ” 100% ” offset .. technically speaking it’s slightly different in that i would consider these Portfolio loan to work more like an re-draw ( no question ask re-draw- linked to a standard debt card).

    Yes it’s confusing – i dont know why the banks loves confusing ppl with new products all the time :( great for marketing tho.

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    That is great then, very flexible. But I woudn't advise on using a LOC for the main loan, only to access equity for further investments. I guess the offset could come in handy for someone who has paid off their non-deductible debt and has some spare cash lying around.

    what about the ANZ one. It appears to be an all in one thing.

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    ANZ one works the same as NAB. But there are limitations in which sub-account the offset can be in…ie can’t be linked to the “fixed rate one” etc…

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    Thanks Michael

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    Terryw wrote:
    That is great then, very flexible. But I woudn't advise on using a LOC for the main loan, only to access equity for further investments. I guess the offset could come in handy for someone who has paid off their non-deductible debt and has some spare cash lying around.

    what about the ANZ one. It appears to be an all in one thing.

    Why would you not use the LOC for the main loan?  The interest rate is too high? An interest only loan is better?  I have a LOC of credit for my PPOR, but will completely pay it off next month.  What is the best way i can  then use it for purchasing an IP?

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    That is ok.

    Once you pay off the LOC you can then withdraw funds for a deposit on the next IP and to pay IP related costs. But whatever you do don't deposit wage or other income into the LOC. Use an offset account for this and then just pay the interest of the LOC every month.

    Otherwise you will end up with a large loan with interest which you cannot deduct.

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    Terry ,
    above you mention  paying off the LOC but then say not to put other money  in only pay interest .
    It sounds slightly confusing .would'nt we want to pay off the LOC asap  because of high interest rates ? As  it will be like having two loans running ie the LOC  for the deposit and the separate actual main loan ,for the new property .

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    Hi

    You have to be careful with the usage of LOCs it is possible to contaminate them from a tax perspective.
    Firstly, withdrawal from a LOC is new borowings
    Deposit into a LOC is a repayment of a loan.

    The easiest way to explain is with an example.

    say you had a $100,000 loan as a LOC
    You get your wage for $4,000 and place it in the LOC. It is now down to a balance of $96,000.
    You take out $3,000 to live on. This means you borrow $3,000. New balance is $99,000

    If this was an investment property then only interest on $96,000 of the $99,000 would be deductible.

    This is for the first month, imagine what happens if you continuously do this for a number of years. You could end up with a loan balance of $99,000 with none of the interest deductible.

    If the loan was on a PPOR and not being used for an investment in anyway it is still not a good idea as you could more out of your home and rent it later on..

    You should also not borrow from a LOC for an investment expenses if you have been using the LOC for personal use.

    If you are using a LOC for the deposit on an investment (and this use only) and borrowing the rest via an IO loan, then I would still suggest you not pay down the LOC, even if the rate is higher. You should be paying down non-deductible debt first, or putting the spare cash into an offset account on the non deductible loan. This will save you more.

    Once you have no non-deductible loans left then you can set up an offset account against your investment IO loan and store the cash there. It is not good to pay down an investment loan as your money is locked away and cannot be withdrawn without tax consequences.

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    anntoro wrote:
    There is a little difference between offset account and line of credit. The main advantage of line of credit is that if you take a regular loan then interest is not charged. The interest is only paid on money actually withdrawn. 

                                  There is a huge difference  You  dont  need cash flow to service a LOC.   Interest can just be added to your account.   Which means you have money available for other investments with which you can claim more deductions and increase  asset growth.   This  is the key to wealth production.      Isnt there limitations on transactions you can make with an offset.   Tax wise there is no difference  if you use a coding system every transaction is given a code and what is deductable can be deducted.    If you have your loan fully offset  what is the point of the loan ?  There is also oppurtunity cost having money sit in a bank account.

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