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Okay, this is a doozy and hope someone might have a fresh way of looking at this. My hubbie and I purchased a 2bed unit off the plan in 2003 for $495k – absolute beachfront location, small block of units, 1.5 hour south of Brisbane (hoping for capital gain and quick re-sale). Settled in 2006 with a valuation of $600k. We were happy with the finished unit, gorgeous fitout and the building won numerous awards. All going well! Not long after the unit next to us sells for $720k! Yes, should have sold then, but buyers were few and far between. We purchased the furniture package on settlement and added some extra money to the loan to cover initial shortfall – total mortgage $575k. Unit was originally in the holiday letting pool, but didn't do well due to new resort, so we permanently tenanted it, earning $500 / wk. After negative gearing it has probably cost us around $40k shortfall. Unfortunately due to market falling and some mortgagee sales, units are now selling for around $450k (unfurnished, inferior position), so ours is probably realistically worth about $500 – 520k. Our tenant has just moved on and the problem is the BC now tells us that the DA for the building was only ever for "tourist accommodation" and we can no longer permanently let or owner occupier (this has come as a surprise for all the owners that I know). I've checked with the council and they are right. This will probably have an effect on the value also. So…..holiday rental situation still not looking great, so I can see our return dwindling and we can't even put in a tenant. We can't sell the unit without losing money and yes unfortunately it is cross colateralised with our PPOR. Our PPOR is worth about $850k with a $385k mortgage. We simply don't have the personal income to support the unit under these circumstances. At the moment after ITWV is costing about $700/wk (with no income – worst case scenario). The unit is 99% in my husbands name (for negative gearing purposes) and our home is 50/50. Do we sell and take the loss or hold and struggle on and see if the holiday letting pays off? Although, if we place it on the market, I'm worried that the onsite PM's will probably fill our unit last as they'll be wanting to keep the other owners happy first, and it may take months to sell. Are we totally screwed?? If anyone could provide any advice we'd be extremely grateful. We have made some money on an IP in the past, but at the moment, we don't think we'll ever do it again.
Who's to say that the tenant doesn't have a 6 month holiday? or 3 mths + option?
I think you should be asking yourself when will it increase in value and if you sell can you make money elsewhere.
If it is going to be costing you $40k pa and not growing by this amount, or not having the potential in the future to grow, then it is not good to hold it in hope. There is also the opportunity cost of holding it – you money is tied up and if you did sell that money could be invested elsewhere making a better return.
If you do decide to keep it talk to your accountant about borrowing to fund the short fall so that you could begin to claim more tax deductions which will help a little bit.
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IP Freely wrote:Who's to say that the tenant doesn't have a 6 month holiday? or 3 mths + option?Oh, good thinking. Funnily enough, in the last couple of days holiday bookings have increased. Might stick with the holiday bookings to the end of January and then go with this idea. Thank you.
Terryw wrote:I think you should be asking yourself when will it increase in value and if you sell can you make money elsewhere.If it is going to be costing you $40k pa and not growing by this amount, or not having the potential in the future to grow, then it is not good to hold it in hope. There is also the opportunity cost of holding it – you money is tied up and if you did sell that money could be invested elsewhere making a better return.
If you do decide to keep it talk to your accountant about borrowing to fund the short fall so that you could begin to claim more tax deductions which will help a little bit.
Sorry Terry, I didn't explain it accurately. It has cost us about $10k / year for the last four years ($40k total). I'm thinking if we continue in holiday renting it will be costing us more than that from now on. I haven't talked to the bank, but I was thinking if we sold it and had a shortfall we would just leave that loan open with the shortfall in it and then use the other available funds to invest elsewhere (maybe). I didn't realise we may be able to claim tax deductions on the shortfall amount when it wasn't earning anything, so that's good news. Think it might be time to talk with an accountant. Thanks so much for taking the time to respond.
Yes you should be talking to an accountant as you may be missing out a many deductions – are you claiming depreciation too?
I was thinking you may be able to claim even more by setting up a new LOC on your PPOR and then borrowing money to pay the interest on the loan, or at least, the shortfall each month. This will increase your deductions and free up cash to pay down your PPOR loan further.
Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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Terryw wrote:Yes you should be talking to an accountant as you may be missing out a many deductions – are you claiming depreciation too?I was thinking you may be able to claim even more by setting up a new LOC on your PPOR and then borrowing money to pay the interest on the loan, or at least, the shortfall each month. This will increase your deductions and free up cash to pay down your PPOR loan further.
Hi Terry, thanks so much for your reply. Yes we claim a heap of depreciation which is great. I'm really interested in your idea re the LOC. I've heard of this before, but I really don't understand how it works. I don't want to waste your time in explaining, so just wondering if could you kindly direct me to a website or other reference that explains how this strategy works? Many thanks.
You won't find it explained anywhere really. It is basically just borrowing to pay interest. It has to be set up correctly and you might need a private ruling from the ATO to prevent them claiming later that it was a scheme to save tax. it is best to speak to your accountant – if he says it can't be done come back here.
Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
http://www.Structuring.com.au
Email MeLawyer, Mortgage Broker and Tax Advisor (Sydney based but advising Aust wide) http://www.Structuring.com.au
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