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  • Profile photo of smartcubesmartcube
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    hi all,
    i need some help with the property investing.let me give a quick intro.i work for a consulting company(contracting) my pay is around 110k and my wife is working aswell her pay is around 50k.i need some idea/help with investing in property to save on my tax..ok to even set up abn/family trust etc..we are currently renting @1500 per month…we dont own any property i till now..have savings of 75k..so can you guys let me know how can i plan to invest and to save the sax i pay.

    waiting to hear from you all..

    ta.
    smartcube

    Profile photo of ducksterduckster
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    If you set up a family trust it will not be possible to transfer the losses out the trust.
    see https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/getting-technical/legal-accounting/17659
    I recommend you talk to an accountant on tax deductible of hybrid trusts / PITS for your situation.
    One point to mention
    You pay about 40% tax
    Your partner pays 32% tax
    So to reduce your tax bill you are going to spend $100 in property expenses to get back $40
    or your partner spends $100 in property expenses to get $32 dollars back

    Where you may be able to reduce your tax more is to buy a newly constructed dwelling and claim building cost write off over 40 years. However you pay for it later as each year the depreciation is taken off your cost base which increases capital gain.
    As an example say you buy a new house that costs say $400,000 and the construction costs were $200,000 as an example figure then at 2.5% depreciation then you can add $5000 building cost depreciation expenses each year to your property expenses.

    I recommend you talk to an accountant on tax deductible for your situation.

    Also employ a quantity surveyor for a depreciation schedule report.

    Property investment is also about leverage and time.
    If the property grows in capital value then you make money from borrowed money.
    Say you put $75,000 in and borrow 80% so 375,000 borrowed house 450,000 as an example
    guessed rent of $18000 a year then expenses of $3000 a year plus interest 7.5% of $28125 total of $31,125
    assuming 7% p/a average capital growth on $450,000 for 10 years this becomes $885,000
    Take your money of $75,000 and working out growth on your money (885000 – 450000)/75000 *100 = 580% return
    $13125 loss each year >> minus tax return at 40% $5250 annual loss of  $7875
    over ten years you pay $78,759 but you could make a capital gain of $435,000

    Another way to make money !
    Buy a main dwelling and live in it and you save $1500 a month in rent
    Tax free saving . Yes you pay interest and expenses but this main dwelling is capital gains tax exempt.
    Over Ten years you have saved $180,000 in rent plus you are getting the capital growth.

     
     

    Profile photo of smartcubesmartcube
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    Thanks a ton… Duckster.
    Is this a good time to invest in property and can you advise on the suburbs in melbounre where i can look for and how much should i start with.how can i save in the tax if i invest in property?

    Waiting to hear from u all..

    Profile photo of PC_MelbournePC_Melbourne
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    Hello there.
    Sounds like we have a similar profile then. Same salary (yours is a little more) also in Melbourne.

    Anyways we invested in property for the same reasons that you are doing it now.
    To cut a long story short we now have 5 properties and pay 1% tax (well for this year anyway)
    We opted for the western belt of Melbourne as the best investment from Newport –> Sunshine.
    To this day I still think these properties are undervalued compared to properties on the other side of town in the same radius.

    I did a reply here when I first joined. Read it if your interested in the details.
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/help-needed/4331557

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi smartcube

    Welcome to the forum.

    I'll play devils advocate – you shouldn't invest in property if your main objective is to save on tax.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Talk to a tax advisor about setting up a proper business structure. As you are self employed there are opportunities for you to 'share' your income with your spouse and reduce your income tax straight away. You could also set up a discretionary trust to purchase houses (forget hybrids). You won't need to worry about losses if you can divert some of the business income into the trust. You will need good advice because of the tax and legal issues involved.

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    Terryw wrote:
    Talk to a tax advisor about setting up a proper business structure. As you are self employed there are opportunities for you to 'share' your income with your spouse and reduce your income tax straight away. You could also set up a discretionary trust to purchase houses (forget hybrids). You won't need to worry about losses if you can divert some of the business income into the trust. You will need good advice because of the tax and legal issues involved.

    Don't believe he's self employed sorry Terry.

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    he said he was contracting. That would class as self employed, but he has to be careful about overcoming the PSI rules so should seek professional advice.

    Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    $75k will cover the deposit and stamp duty on a property worth $300k.  If you are after a house, and are looking in the west, take a look at Laverton.  It's bang next to a zone 1 train station.  Also there is the suburbs of Geelong where demand is strong.  If you're after a unit, there will be more areas you can consider.

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