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Hi,
I am new to this forum. With what I have been reading from this forum, I feel people here are very helpful, so I am wondering, I might be able to get some help here too. Below is my situation:
(1) I bought a PPOR around 6 years ago (p1)
The price I bought was at $380K, now it worth $500K
I still have around $240K loan with the bank, I have an offset account for the loan. The redraw amount allowed from the loan account is around $48000(2) I am planning to buy another property soon, costing around $480K (p2)
My plan is to rent out my current PPOR after I bought the new one, then move into the new property for a few years (say, 5 or 6 years), then rent the new one out. Afterwards I might be move back to my current PPOR.I am the sole owner of the both properties.
I got some ideas from some source saying it might be more tax beneficial if I first rent out the p2, namely the new one, before moving in.
I would like to get help/clarification from here on the following points:
(1) Would that be the case I shall first rent out my new purchasing for better tax benefit?
(2) When I rent the P1 out, would the interest for the P1 deductable? Some people told me, theoretically, the interest of P1 shall not be tax deductable as the original purpose of the P1 wasn't for investment.
(3) What would be the best way to structure the loan on the two properties?Thank you for your help.
Qin
qin wrote:Hi,I am new to this forum. With what I have been reading from this forum, I feel people here are very helpful, so I am wondering, I might be able to get some help here too. Below is my situation:
(1) I bought a PPOR around 6 years ago (p1)
The price I bought was at $380K, now it worth $500K
I still have around $240K loan with the bank, I have an offset account for the loan. The redraw amount allowed from the loan account is around $48000This redraw are you planning on using it as a deposit for p2 loan ?
You may be better setting up a line of credit loan against p1's security you can borrow usually up to 80% LVR this works out to $160,000 if you can service both loans (lender will check if you can service it)
And this separates p1 private PPOR loan with LOC investment use loan making it easier to work out tax time.
Ask your lender if you can do an LOCqin wrote:(2) I am planning to buy another property soon, costing around $480K (p2)
My plan is to rent out my current PPOR after I bought the new one, then move into the new property for a few years (say, 5 or 6 years), then rent the new one out. Afterwards I might be move back to my current PPOR.If you rent out p1 you can only claim interest on the 240k loan
I am assuming you are trying to reduce capital gains tax by moving every 5 to 6 years however only one property at a time can be deemed your PPOR. So when you move out of p1 and start renting it out you have unless you deem it to remain your PPOR you have changed its use and this is a capital gains event. The value of the house p1 at this stage becomes the cost base for the capital gains tax if you sell it in the future.
If you deem it to remain PPOR then p2 is subject to capital gains tax if you sell it.qin wrote:I am the sole owner of the both properties.I got some ideas from some source saying it might be more tax beneficial if I first rent out the p2, namely the new one, before moving in.
I would like to get help/clarification from here on the following points:
(1) Would that be the case I shall first rent out my new purchasing for better tax benefit?As you owe more on the loan for p2 it would most likely be negatively geared and you could reduce other tax assessable income more than p1.
Depends on your marginal tax rate as to how much you get back at tax return time.qin wrote:(2) When I rent the P1 out, would the interest for the P1 deductable? Some people told me, theoretically, the interest of P1 shall not be tax deductable as the original purpose of the P1 wasn't for investment.Some people may be correct in what they told you.
What happens is the net income or net loss determines if the expenses are claimable. Yes they are claimable but if the rent income is greater than the expenses you will pay tax on the extra net income.
net income = rental income – total expenses incurred
net income = rent – (water rates, insurance, council rates, repair costs, interest, management fees, depreciation)
if this sums up to a negative number then you are making a net loss which can come off other income you have paid tax on already)
if this is a positive number then you are making income that is taxable.
qin wrote:(3) What would be the best way to structure the loan on the two properties?LOC loan 120k against p1 to cover 96k for 20% deposit (avoids needing LMI) and 24k cover possible stamp duty costs
Go to another lender and borrow the $384 k required or remaining short fall.
Then pay off LOC as soon as possible
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Hi,
Thanks for your quick response and the clear and detailed answer.
The reason for moving into the P2 for five or more years is purely due to some personal arrangements, saving some travelling time and also I would like to start trying the idea of property investment which I am quite new to. I think I would like to keep my current PPOR the P1 as my PPOR all the time even when I buy the new property P2.
Would you also be able to answer some questions I am still not so clear about?
(1) If I bought the P2, then move in immediately, and I do not want to claim it as my PPOR during the years I live in. I am planning to pay interest only for both properties during the period, as I would rent out the P2 eventually. So when I rent out the P2 finally, would all the associated costs including stamp duties on the P2 be tax deductable? Would the initial loan, like you said, $384K, I take on the P2 is classified as for investment purpose?
(2) When you suggested to create LOC against the P1, why did you also recommend to pay off LOC ASAP? Would the LOC be attracting higher interest? And also, why is it necessary to go to another lender for the P2 remaining $384K loan? I am not sure if my lender offers LOC or not, I am with WestPac on Rocket repayment loan, I guess I shall ask them about it.
(3) As to stamp duty, your reply implies I would have to pay stamp duty on the P2, I thought stamp duty will be exempted for any property worth less than $500K as I did not pay stamp duty fee on my current PPOR, it now seems I am wrong. Is that the case?
Many thanks for your time.
Kind regards,
Qin
qin wrote:Hi,I am new to this forum. With what I have been reading from this forum, I feel people here are very helpful, so I am wondering, I might be able to get some help here too. Below is my situation:
(1) I bought a PPOR around 6 years ago (p1)
The price I bought was at $380K, now it worth $500K
I still have around $240K loan with the bank, I have an offset account for the loan. The redraw amount allowed from the loan account is around $48000(2) I am planning to buy another property soon, costing around $480K (p2)
My plan is to rent out my current PPOR after I bought the new one, then move into the new property for a few years (say, 5 or 6 years), then rent the new one out. Afterwards I might be move back to my current PPOR.I am the sole owner of the both properties.
I got some ideas from some source saying it might be more tax beneficial if I first rent out the p2, namely the new one, before moving in.
I would like to get help/clarification from here on the following points:
(1) Would that be the case I shall first rent out my new purchasing for better tax benefit?
(2) When I rent the P1 out, would the interest for the P1 deductable? Some people told me, theoretically, the interest of P1 shall not be tax deductable as the original purpose of the P1 wasn't for investment.
(3) What would be the best way to structure the loan on the two properties?Thank you for your help.
Qin
1. I do not think there are any tax benefits in renting P2 out first, other than the normal negative gearing issues. There could be some disadvantages though. Once you live in a property you could class it as your main residence and be later entitled to a CGT exemption. It cannot be your main residence until you live in it (bear in mind you can only have one main residence).
2. No, not true. ATO looks at the purpose the funds were borrowed for. In your case you have borrowed to buy the property. if that property is a rental then the interest on the loan would be deductible. However, if you have redrawn money from the loan this may complicate things and the interest on this redraw may not be deductible.
3. You will be possibly moving out of both properties and renting, so i would suggest you do not pay any loans down. Use IO loans on both and have a 100% offset attached. put all cash in the offset against the property you are living in, and if you change, move your cash to the new property you will live in.
For the new property i would set up a LOC on P1 and then use this as 20% deposit on the new one and then take out a separate loan. Keep both loans secured by just one property. ie no cross collateralising.
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paying off the LOC quickly is not really a necessary requirement . It would be so as to eliminate the risk to P1 from a P2 loan.
If you had trouble paying off LOC in the future it may affect PPOR and if you foreclose on the LOC you could Lose P1 to the bank. It is more for reducing co lateral risk rather than for any saving reason.
Many thanks for all of your replies, they are very helpful to me.
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