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  • Profile photo of StrikerStriker
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    I have reasonably good equity like many whose property values increased. But I am cash poor.  I want to buy another investment property.  In a reasonably good area I will experience negative cash flow/gearing.  Lets now assume for say a $500,000 property I have a short fall of $10,000 per annum and lets also assume the capital increases in value say 6% or $30,000 then in the long run it's a worthwhile investment.

    But as I am cash poor at the moment is it a good idea to fund the $10,000 shortfall from equity or via an equity access account?  I know I would be paying interest on this $10,000 coming out of my account but is it worth it in the long run???

    Thanks

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    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    James, a bit hard to put any useful input into this one without a bit more of the picture. Your other option (if you have any taxable income) is to reduce the tax that you are paying to help cover the shortfall. Alternatively get a LOC and fund the shortfall from the LOC – use it only for this property so that all costs are claimable.

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    Its common and tax effective to do this. But obtaining a loan for it won't be easy.

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    Profile photo of Matt_ArnoldMatt_Arnold
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    This is one strategy that Michael Yardney makes a lot of references to…

    As referenced by Terry, the 'concept' may be a lot easier than the 'application'.

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    Terryw & matt

    You both say it is difficult to go about doing this.  I assume you mean obtaining a loan won't be easy as it will be 100+ % finance.  But with sufficient equity or by using like an Equity Access Account / LOC could this not be easily possible?

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    No, it is the income requirement. Equity is only one consideration.

    No, or few lenders are going to lend to you if you cannot demonstrate you have the ability to pay the loan.

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Or post July 1 No lender is going to lend you money where you cannot demonstrate you have sufficient income to service the debt.

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    Hi Richard

    Do you think the reverse equity loans for oldies will be still around?

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    Profile photo of Greg ReidGreg Reid
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    James,
    I have many clients using equity normally via a LOC secured on their PPOR, to use to fund the deposit of an IP and also fund the cash shortfall. My view is you need about $120k per median priced IP ($450k mark) in a LOC facility to be comfortable, with $80 to $90k used for the deposit and costs and the remaining $30 to $40k as the safety net and to use for debt recycling.

    You need to be able to demonstrate income for servicing purposes to obtain a loan but I presume you have sufficient income, just not necessarily have surplus disposable cash after lifestyle expenses.

    I am not sure on Richard's comment post 1 July, I doubt ASIC has the man power to police this and I doubt the lenders give much of a damn anyway, if they have funds to lend, they will find a way to lend.

    Terryw, I do some work with seniors and the reverse mortgage is a very useful product for many. To borrow $20 or $30k on a RM is a whole lot more cost effective than downsizing even with the recent NSW government stamp duty concessions. No other state has these. I think the lenders already go too far with their sign off requirements from financial planners and lawyers. I haven't found any comeback from clients having to get legal sign off but I have had with financial sign off. People don't want to pay $500 + to a bloke who wants them to put their borrowed funds into a managed fund for them.

    We shall see if the government takes a sledge hammer approach as they do with most things resulting in making the product impractical and the end result being seniors who best option is to take a RM, have to continue struggling or sell and downsize at a far greater cost.

    Greg

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    Hi Terry

    Very good question. 

    I  get many referals from one of the Major Banks asking me to go and provide the client with a Financial Advice Statement in relation to their Reverse Mortgage.

    I think come July 1 this style of loan would certainly have to come into question as the clients PPOR is definately at risk and this is the backbone of the Responsible Lending obligation.

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    Greg

    ASIC wont need to audit every Broker as this responsibility is being taken by the License Holder.

    If you are a Credit Representative you can expect regular Audits from the Licensee as his / her neck is on the line.

    Certainly my Aggregator is offering this option however i understand that many are leaving Brokers in limbo to plough the legistlation and paperwork themselves.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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