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  • Profile photo of xpressxpress
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    Hi All,

    Firstly, I've got to say that I am amazed at the amount of useful information on this forum – it's truly amazing!

    Having said that I am fairly new to property investing and looking for some advice regarding my situation.

    I am looking to buy a property in a new housing estate in the western suburbs of Sydney. The approximate land cost will be $250k. I have quotes ranging from $120k – $180k then to put a house on top of this land.

    I am still fairly young (23) and have been relatively carefree with money till now and only have $15k saved up. However, I am moving into a new role next year that will be paying $80k. I've done some calculations and from all accounts I should be able to borrow up to $400k (I really don't want to borrow anymore than this). My parents will also be helping me out with my loan and have agreed to pay $1000 a month towards my mortgage. All this puts me in a relatively good position to go ahead and make this purchase. I just have the follwing questions on my mind and would appreciate any input;

    1) Say initially I live in the property and have P&I loan but then 2 years later I decide to rent it out and treat it as an investment property for taxation purposes am I able to refinance the loan to interest only?

    2) Is it generally a good idea to buy in a housing estate? I've spoken to some real estate agents and I've done some number crunching myself as well and it appears that on a $400k property I can get a rent yeild of over 6% If I was to rent out the place. This also makes me think why are there still blocks of land available if the return is good?

    3) Are there any hidden costs associated with buying in a housing estate apart from community levies?

    4) How much extra should I budget for on top of the $400k for things like LMI, Soliciors fees, stamp duty etc?

    5) Am I still eligible for the first home owners grant If I buy land seperately and then build a house on top of it?

    6) Do you think i will be able to bargain down the price of the land at all? Or is it usually fixed when buying within an estate?

    7) Lastly, what are some things I should be looking for when selecting a home builder? (Once again can offer a lower price then they quote)?

    Thanks in advance

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    5) Page 1 of the following document says of the First Home Owner Grant: "The grant applies to residential dwellings only and does not apply to vacant land."  http://www.osr.nsw.gov.au/lib/doc/factsheets/fs_fhb1.pdf  Have a read of the "First Home Plus" scheme on page 2 which talk about alternative assistance you can get for vacant land.  Basically it says that you'd pay no stamp duty on vacant land up to the value of $300k, or you'd receive concessions on stamp duty on land valued between $300k and $450k. (Page 3 shows how to calculate these concessions.)  Reading between the lines, it looks like the provisor would be that within 12 months, you'd need to have constructed  the home in a sufficiently timely manner to allow you to reside in the home for 6 months (within the afore-mentioned 12 months).  This is unclear in the document – you'd call to clarify.

    7) I would ask which estates they've built nearby, and ask for specific addresses.  Do a lot of drivebys to see what you think of the exteriors, and even knock on a few doors – compliment people on their lovely homes and ask them if they care to comment on their experiences with the builder (ie if they would recommend them or not).  I did exactly this.


    When applying for the loan – I think you'll find that the fact your parents are prepared to pitch in $1000 a month won't be included in the equation.  The only way to factor that in might be for them to be guarantors of the loan which they might not wish to do, as it can put there current residence at risk if you default on your payments.

    I think you will find that the bank wants you to pitch in 10% deposit.  So on the land alone, that means $25k.  You'll then need a thousand or two for solicitors & conveyencors.

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    xpress wrote:
    1) Say initially I live in the property and have P&I loan but then 2 years later I decide to rent it out and treat it as an investment property for taxation purposes am I able to refinance the loan to interest only?

    Yes. Better in my opinion to do IO from day 1 if you plan to make it into an IP in the future. Park any excess cash into an offset account that you can use later for your PPOR purchase or another IP.

    xpress wrote:
    2) Is it generally a good idea to buy in a housing estate?

      NO, not in my opinion. Limited capital growth for the first few years and if the market tanks at any stage you can have real difficulty selling your place when the builder is selling cheaper new than your second-hand one. Better to be in established suburb.

    xpress wrote:
    I've spoken to some real estate agents and I've done some number crunching myself as well and it appears that on a $400k property I can get a rent yeild of over 6% If I was to rent out the place. This also makes me think why are there still blocks of land available if the return is good?

    I doubt these figures. You might get 5% – maybe.

    xpress wrote:
    6) Do you think i will be able to bargain down the price of the land at all? Or is it usually fixed when buying within an estate?

    Buying first blocks in a new estate you won't get a discount as this will set a benchmark for valuers valuing other blocks. The last few blocks left though are often sold cheaper.

    xpress wrote:
    7) Lastly, what are some things I should be looking for when selecting a home builder? (Once again can offer a lower price then they quote)?

      Reputation and build quality. Ask previous clients. Also make sure there is a liquidated damages clause in the contract for over-runs on construction time.

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    I would question the price that your builder is quoting if you check the Reed Construction Data reports the current building costs are around $1050 per square metre so at $120K – $180K this is a fair difference. Make sure you are comparing apples with apples as a lot of builders will provide a lower price but this will not include standard items required for living in such as, carpet, lights, tiling, clothes line, tv antenna and wiring, letterbox etc…

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