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  • Profile photo of piratepirate
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    Hi everyone

    I know its abit of a basic question, but im interested to see the different views out there.

    Let us know what you think makes a good mortage broker. and why you choose them?

    Thanks

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    Hi Pirate
    I will give you my view (albeit a biased one!):

    1. Needs to be independent – Understand who they are associated with (as in banks, non-banks, etc)
    2. Has the industry experience & qualifications – most brokers will need to be members of the MFAA or FBAA (industry bodies), have indemnity insurances and dispute resolution processes. Now there are quite a few traditional bankers who have become brokers and there are people with no financial industry background whatsoever. There are good ones and not so good ones – Their industry background has little to do with how good they are (I think so anyways) – its all about thier attitude towards their clients and their work.
    3. Ideally has done the kind of stuff that you are looking to do – If you are looking for a broker to do some work on buying an IP – ask if he / her have bought an IP and if so how many do they have – under what structure, etc. Most good ones are more than happy to talk about it (without going into too much detail) This will help you understand if they can be really helpful..
    4. Ideally referred by a friend or someone from the Forum – I think this is probably the best decider – especially from this forum as most of the readers / posters are active investors – who use brokers – so I am sure they/we will be more than happy to recommend a broker in your area.

    I hope this helps..

    Good luck.
    Regards

    Ananda

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    As well as the ones mentioned, you should add:

    1.  Must be good communicators.  They must be able to explain things clearly to non-finance people.  Need to return phone calls, email, text messages prompty. Need to be contactable easily. 

    2.  Must be up-to-date with all information.

    3.  Must have at least one investment property themselves to that they can empathise with investors and owner occupiers.

    4. Must be properly mentored by a successful mortgage broker.

    5. Must be able to think outside the square. ie should be able to handle difficult and complex cases.

    6. Should be tertiary educated (degree or diploma) not just members of MFAA or FBAA.  I've already mentioned in another post that I don't regard Certificate 4 as being sufficient.

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    needs to have a range of lenders to offer you the best possible solution to your needs.

    should follow up with you during settlement process on progress of  loan application.

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    I agree that Cert IV in Financial Services is weak, and being a member of the MFAA or FBAA itself means little, it is simply required by some lenders so many brokers simply join rather than argue the need to join.  Brokers just do it rather than argue and my own view is either body do very little.  FBAA are old hat and probably wont be around in a few years, MFAA are the only competition in terms of an industry professional body and seem to side with lenders more than represent brokers at times.  This might seem like a whinge about them but they in real terms mean nothing when it comes to selecting a broker.  I know good brokers that are members of neither body.
    Having owned or currently owning an investment property is a statement used by some to try to cut out those that dont, It doesnt in real terms mean a lot.  A good point I took from a Property Investment author about being educated in every area of property investment rather than purely trusting your 'advisors' is true, might be a heap more work, but is true.  Doesnt mean you dont use advisors but you should understand what decisions they are making (accountants, brokers, planners, developers, project managers, solicitors blah blah)..
    Experience does count, but how do you go check up on what someone tells you?
    Access to 40 lenders means little, brokers tend to stick to the main ones that are able to assist in a majority of cases, so number of accreditations means little, CBA, ANZ, Homeside, ABL, ING, (in the past RAMS), Suncorp, Macquarie, and Bankwest should cover it outside a couple of mortgage managers most people havent heard of until they need them.
    Someone who charges you extra on top of what lenders pay is probably seeking some money in case you dont go through with them, I wonder why they would need to do this?
    Basically, you should meet with the broker, and ask them the usual suggested questions which will be easy to answer for most brokers to answer.  It is still an industry with minimal barriers to entry, so you will see hacks, and overnighters come and go.
    You can only go with someone who a trusted friend or family members recommends. That is the main point, go on someone who gives you a recommendation, and why they make that recommendation.

    And yes you may still get it wrong so good luck.  If you get it wrong however, you can do worse in most other areas of property investment, such as wrong location, bad tenants, just bad luck, bad economic conditions, mistakes with cash flows on a development, etc.  Sorry to send a negative message, I'd rather say that follow trusted friends and family, follow your instinct or vibes and do your homework.

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    Add these ones:

    1. Must be ethical.  There must be someone that mortgage brokers can be checked for past criminal and unethical behaviour.  Is this the job of MFAA?  If Reedy thinks that FBAA are old hat then its no use relying on them.

    2. Should not involve a conflict of interest.  Don't use brokers who are working for the agent or company you are buying the property from.

    3. Must show basic manners. I will never ever again use a broker who promises to ring me back but never does.  It happened to me with 2 brokers and I will always remember to bag them in front of friends and family.  It is so rude. Brokers who have been late for appointments are also annoying, especially as I have a tight schedule during the day.

    I agree that recommendations are one of the best ways to go. 

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    I look for a broker who:

    * understands the importance of finding the right lender for MY circumstances, not just the one with the lowest interest rate. (Brokers – probably reflecting the general population – seem to be obsessed with interest rate, when it's just not that important to me.)

    * understands structures and how that impacts on the way finances are arranged.

    * is familiar with and uses innovative, non-bank lenders, and maintains a watch on new products and lenders entering the market.

    * operates predominantly in the sector I'm purchasing in, because different lenders specialise in different sectors. (I think it's nearly impossible for an individual to be as familiar as I want them to be with all market sectors. I group finance into 3 broad divisions and I have a broker for each: commercial, residential, development.)

    Just in case anybody's interested, my priorities for a loan are:

    1) max LVR,

    2) speed of approval/settlement with minimum bureaucracy,

    3) flexibility/transportability eg minimal penalties for increasing borrowings when property value increases, reducing interest rate if LVR drops, paying out, etc.

    Warmest regards, Tracey in Brisbane

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    I concur with a lot of the previous comments although also believe that a MB should be an active Property Investor himself and have a good understanding of loan structuring.

    How can a broker lay out a path to your for your retirement bu buying property if he hasnt retired himself.

    So many mortgage brokers have little or limit knowledge of Trusts, Pty Ltd Company or Self Managed Super Fund borrowings and do understand the complexities and taxation implicatons of such.

    Finally education, i am sure everyone is aware of my previous coments on the complete lack of regulation and educational requirements in this industry. They hand out Cert 1V in Fin Services by reading  the back of a conrflakes packet. A Broker should be at least degree qualified as you would expect your Solicitor / Accountant to be and have more than 10 years industry experience.

    Honestly how can someone working for one of the big franchises for 2 years who was previously a carpenter really have any in depth knowledge of the industry. I mean i ask you. I am not putting down other Professions but if your Accountant said to you "Yes i have been qualified a year now after being a deck chair attendant" would you want to give him all of your Trust business.

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    Interesting thread here. might add my 23cents worth. (in no particular order)
    1) Everyone has to start somewhere, so experience, while important, is not the b all and end all. Unfortunately many brokers are ex bank staff, with a very limted overview of what actually goes on in the industry, having only ever really known one lenders viewpoint and policies. also, in some areas, many people are only buying there first or second house, and as an owner ocupied rather than investment, so many brokers (and lenders across the board) have very little opportunity to deal with clients having multiple properties.
    2) Further to the above, along with experience, passion and honesty (integrity) are more important i believe. I have met some brokers that spend more time telling you about ther many years of experience and property exploits to the degree that it is hard to get a word in edge ways about your own needs – and when doing so you 'must' do things 'their way' as it is the 'best'.
    3) Comments on the CERT IV FInancial Services (Finance and Mortgage Broking) I can relate to…….but from a different perspective. When I did mine, through a Sydney College, I spent hours upon hours of time completing it, doing every assignment there was, being thorough, and in all fairness it probably took me a couple of months in after hours and some weekends  to do. (Distinction gradings all through though :-) ) AND I have indeed seen others having completed a 'Cert4' in a couple of days in addition to some basic lender training – which makes me a bit cranky, as I felt it 'cheapened' all the time and effort I put into mine.  Then again, on the other side of the coin, I have just done almost half (my Diploma in Financial Planning in two days! (not that I plan to proceed any further with it at this point) so there are definately some shortcuts in so many courses I think – and that is probably needs more regulation I believe……
     
    A good broker should be a quick learner,make you feel comforable talking with them, ask you plenty of questions and show enough humiltiy to ask someone else with more experience (real time/life, not just years) if they are not sure of something.

    There – hopefully that will add to the above, and assist when choosing (if you decide to use one) a broker.

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    interesting feed back! thanks for the comments everyone.

    Hate to open a can of worms… but here it goes….. Anyone have any recommendations of a good MB? lol? :D

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    No lol

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    If you are not being led towards a 100% offset they are not a good broker, it preserves the tax deductability for future use and when you crunch the numbers can often give you a 0.7% discount on the real cost of the deal

    ie. say offered 7.9% variable, using an offset can usually generate 0.7% actual savings on the rate or in other words make the real rate you are paying 7.2%

    From a Financial Planning point of view I could not recommend any loan that did not have a 100% offset attached and be what is called  a fully 'transactional' loan ie. use it as your bank account and pay all bills etc.

    Hope that helps.

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    Hi Pirate,

    I think you need to have some practical questions to ask any broker/financier.

    eg Do they have their own Company, explain company tax rules ? How long has the co. been running? What formal credentials do they have in the Finance Industry?

    Also, get them to explain to you what the differences/weaknesses/strengths are for setting up Trusts/Companies or buying/selling in your own name. Whilst they are not accountants, they are advising on some crucial money matters and they should be able to give informative answers with REAL figures based on your situation.

    I guess what I a trying to say is: Don't take vague generalities for answers. That is Sales talk, not brokering. You need to have specific, real numbers to discuss with them and then decide based on the real numbers they give back to you how you should structure your loans.

    At the end of it, you may decide to do it all yourself with one of the Banks etc anyhow. A good broker will give you scenarios that you will not have thought about, but so should a good accountant who understands investing. I have used brokers in the past and at present deal directly with a Bank. Why? Because I have found this guy buried inside a bank that, for me, is the best informed lender I have come across, ever. He is accountant/broker (sort of ) /developer all rolled in to one. He comes up with great ideas on financing over lunch or coffee.
    Just go out there and start meeting with some of them. You will quickly suss out who knows their stuff and who is swinging the lead………
    And don't forget, if a broker/bank recommends something, then always pass it by your accountant and perhaps solicitor. They again should be part of your team to give you extra guidance/warnings. Work them as a team, rather than disjointed individuals. It will prove very valuable.
    Cheers,
    JB

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