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  • Profile photo of wayne10539wayne10539
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    Are there any costs associated with buying land that are deductible, such as borrowing costs or interest during the financial years that you hold the property?

    If you sell the land later on (undeveloped), is the interest and stamp duty added to the cost of the land, in return reducing the CGT applicable?

    Are there any tips in maximising tax benefits when holding or selling land.

    Thanks

    Wayne

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    If your intention was to hold the land as an investment, then I believe you can claim everything as you would on a investment house.

    Previously the ATO did not allow it, but there was a case many years ago, I think Steel’s case which changed things.

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    hrmmm. Does this include the interest from the loan?

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    yes

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    Hi Guys,

    Not 100% sure but I would actually check that out as the ATO only allow tax deductibility for assets that are income producing. Land on it’s own is not be income producing and thus the interest not tax deductible.

    David P

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    Profile photo of wayne10539wayne10539
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    I had a look on the ATO web site, but you cant see the forrest because of the trees.

    There is so much information i found my self going around in circles, though the journey did reveal heaps of other interesting things in regards to rental properties.

    I think i may have to ring them, i dont like giving my name to them and was trying to avoid this option. Not that i have anything to hide, but why bring any unnecessary attention to your situation than needed.

    Wayne

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    I recall reading about an ATO ruling for an individual that allowed deductions while holding a block of land. From my hazy memory it was a fairly exceptional set of circumstances that involved the intention to build a house, continual delays and then a complete change of circumstances which meant the house was never actually started despite all the approvals, loans etc being obtained.

    I would be very wary of simply buying a block of land for investment and claiming all expenses.
    Even though I think that you would not be able to claim the expenses as you go along, I would expect them to be taken into account when calculating any CGT liability.

    But then again, I am not an accountant so if you plan to take that path I would suggest good professional advice.

    Marg

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    Hi Marg,

    Maybe the same case Terry was refering to. My understanding was that there were no deductions in finacial years that the land was being held, but on selling the interest and buying costs could be added to your cost base, and in return reduce the amount of CGT payable.

    I dont know why i thought this, may have read it somewhwere, dont really know? I will run past the accountant, but some times you can even get a bum steer from them also. ATO still will probally be best bet, i will ring them on Monday and update the thread,

    Wayne

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    See:
    TR 2000/17W
    “Income tax: deductions for interest following the Steele decision”
    http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?locid='TXR/TR200017/NAT/ATO'&PiT=99991231235958

    Hangon, this was withdrawn by the ATO on 9 June 2004)

    try this one:
    TR 2004/4
    “Income tax: deductions for interest incurred prior to the commencement of, or following the cessation of, relevant income earning activities”

    Here is a quote:
    Interest incurred prior to assessable income

    9. It follows from Steele that interest incurred in a period prior to the derivation of relevant assessable income will be ‘incurred in gaining or producing the assessable income’ in the following circumstances:

    ·
    the interest is not incurred ‘too soon’, is not preliminary to the income earning activities, and is not a prelude to those activities;

    ·
    the interest is not private or domestic;

    ·
    the period of interest outgoings prior to the derivation of relevant assessable income is not so long, taking into account the kind of income earning activities involved, that the necessary connection between outgoings and assessable income is lost;

    ·
    the interest is incurred with one end in view, the gaining or producing of assessable income; and

    ·
    continuing efforts are undertaken in pursuit of that end

    You can get the Tax Ruling here:
    http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?rank=find&criteria=AND~2004%2F4~basic~exact&target=EA&style=java&sdocid=TXR/TR20044/NAT/ATO/00001&recStart=1&PiT=99991231235958&recnum=4&tot=29&pn=ALL:::RDB

    You can also view the Judgments in the case, Steele v. Commissioner of Taxation – (18 March 1997), here:
    http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/Browse.htm?ImA=folder&Node=4~2~9~193&OpenNodes=,4~2,4,4~2~9&DBTOC=05%3ALRP%3AFederal%20Court%3A1997%3ASteele%20v.%20Commissioner%20of%20Taxation%20-%20(18%20March%201997)#4~2~9~193

    And

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    I’m a FInance Strategist and work with investors all the time and as part of my work I try to keep informed. COntacting the ATO is often awaist as they rarely give clear “advice” unless you ask for a private ruling. My accountant who is also a wiz with regard property etc has assured me that non income producing proerty, land or building, is not tax deductable. Only after a certificate of currency is created and the property is “advertised and available can it then be calle “income producing”. If you were to “lease” the land for adjistment of three goats (for example) it owuld be income producing and you may be able to claim the total interest bill. Find an accountant. I know a great guy in Melbouren and a firm who operate in Sydney and QLD and would be happy to recomend them. (I get no kick back for that either, I just like what they do for investors)

    Best of luck with the goats

    Karm

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    Terry

    thanks for your extensive and informative reply, i will check it out, may take me a while to decipher it though.

    Karm

    Thanks for the leads for an accountant, unfortunately i am on the other side of the country. I will however keep an eye for some second hand goats for my wealth building strategies.

    Wayne

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    Originally posted by karm:

    I’m a FInance Strategist and work with investors all the time and as part of my work I try to keep informed. COntacting the ATO is often awaist as they rarely give clear “advice” unless you ask for a private ruling. My accountant who is also a wiz with regard property etc has assured me that non income producing proerty, land or building, is not tax deductable. Only after a certificate of currency is created and the property is “advertised and available can it then be calle “income producing”. If you were to “lease” the land for adjistment of three goats (for example) it owuld be income producing and you may be able to claim the total interest bill. Find an accountant. I know a great guy in Melbouren and a firm who operate in Sydney and QLD and would be happy to recomend them. (I get no kick back for that either, I just like what they do for investors)

    Best of luck with the goats

    Karm

    Karm

    You might want to pass on to your accountant the links in my post above.

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    Wayne

    Which part of the Country are you in ?

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    Terry

    Just had a brief look through, obviously needs further reading.

    the interest is incurred with one end in view, the gaining or producing of assessable income; and

    Even though i may not plan to build on the land, a capital gain is assessable income.

    I hope this is not too personal, but do you hold land that you clain deductions on, pass on this if needed.

    Thanks

    Wayne

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    Hi Wayne

    I don’t have any vacant land, so have never really looked into it and have not read those documents in full either – nor am I an accountant. I have listed them as a guide that interest can be claimed in certain circumstances.

    If you don’t intend to build, then I am not sure if you could claim. But it is certainly worth looking into. Don’t rely on your accountant completely as they often are not up to date.

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    Richard

    Dongara near Geraldton, Western Australia

    Wayne

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