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  • Profile photo of JuliaJulia
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    I had a bit of fun with our Rental Property experts at the ATO this week.
    Many rental property owners have just received a letter requesting more information to be provided when they lodge their 2004 Income Tax Return. It also includes a page with helpful advice on areas where the ATO believes mistakes are being made. In particular it states:

    “Tenants in common may hold unequal interest in the property – one may
    have a 20% interest and a second may have a 80% interest; the rental
    income and expenses would be divided accordingly.”

    I got on the phone to the ATO to ask, does this mean if I own a property as 50:50 tenants in common with my brother and he borrowed to buy his share yet I didn’t borrow for my share then I could claim half of my brother’s interest as a deduction against my half share of the rent. I added that I was quite happy to accept this as I was in a higher tax bracket than him. The first person didn’t like that idea so said only the person who incurred the expense could claim it. I said oh good so if I pay all the rates then I can claim 100% of the rates against only my share of the rent. I got put abruptly on hold for that one.
    The next person tried to tell me it was a case of who actually paid the bill so I painted a picture of my brother and I being disorganised and not fussed about money between us. This I must admit was a lie as you couldn’t get two more anal people in regard to money but then we don’t own a rental property together anyway.
    I was then transferred to another extension where the voice mail told me they were on leave and to ring another extension. This involved hanging up and going back through all the mechanical options and guess what, the next extension was on leave too.
    I rang back and explained the problem again. The person I talked to put me through to Guy Witcomb who gave me what I believe to be the correct answer. That is, the interest is deductible to my brother, as it is in regard to his share where as all other expenses were directly related to the property, so split on the basis of ownership. Guy also said that he disagreed with the statement made in the ATO letter.
    I then asked him how I should prepare the tax return to be sure that I was correct and asked was there an ATO ruling or something I could rely on. He said that the only way I could be sure was to apply for a private ruling. I told him I’ve lodged an application for a private ruling, on another issue, in February and still did not have a reply. So at that rate I would not have an answer to this ruling before I was due to lodge my tax return. Guy suggested that I send the application for the ruling with the income tax return. I then asked him should I prepare the tax return according to the letter they sent out. He said it would be alright if I did as there would be no penalty if it was wrong but I would be up for over 11% interest on the amount of tax under paid during the time the ruling was being processed.
    What was most alarming was the number of people I spoke to at the ATO that tried to come up with a plausible explanation rather than referring to the law. It appeared any story at all would do just to get me off the phone. Yet the public are asked to rely on this advice and even if they can prove that the ATO gave them the wrong advice they will still have to pay over 11% interest on the tax short fall. If they can’t prove that the ATO gave them the wrong advice they could also be up for a penalty of 75% of the tax shortfall.

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    Profile photo of depreciatordepreciator
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    I have the same problem when asking them tricky questions about depreciation. This time of year in particular they must bring in lots of casuals to man the phones.

    I probably phone them every second day to check up on the odd obscure thing – we get lots of clients trying very hard to push the envelope.

    When I get an answer, I then call back and ask the same question of another person. And then I make a third call.

    Rarely do I get 3 out of 3 saying the same thing. I’ve now got a person in there who I can e-mail. The best part about that is that I get an opinion in writing.

    Scott

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