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    I have just read ‘Trust Magic’ and ‘Tax Battles’ by Dale Gatherum he suggests that the WRAPPING Business is held inside the trust as a separate entity to keep the BUY/HOLD Properties separate from the WRAP properties mainly for CGT Tax. He also states that this seems to be most the popular approach at the moment and not the be all and end all, What do you think as I will be setting up my structure within two weeks?[wacko]

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    I think Dale was worried that if you were buying and selling lots of properties quickly, as happens with wraps, then the ATO could class you as a trader and the properties as trading stock, and you would therefore lose the 50% CGT discount. For this reason, I think, he recommended you keep the buy and holds in a different structure – as you definitly don’t want to lose the CGT discount on these.

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    Hi Terry

    Yes I agree and I will be seperating my portfolio’s.

    Cheers

    Shane

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    Good question Shane,

    Does this mean you set up 2 trusts, and if you have a corporate trustee it can act on behalf of both trusts…..

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    Hello WF

    I am setting up a Company which will only deal with WRAPS, This company will be held inside The Trust as a seperate entity. My BUY/HOLD properties are held as normal inside the trust but not in side the company to keep them seperate.
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    Shane

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    Wraps do not qualify for the 50% CGT concession anyway. It is not an issue of how many you trade it is the nature of the wrap that makes it trading stock even if you have only one.
    The following is an article I wrote on the subject at the begining of this year. Should cover most of your questions.
    If the Vendor Finance arrangement has the following features the income stream received, once the wrap arrangement has begun, is considered to be principle and interest by the ATO. The income stream received before the wrap arrangement is entered into is considered rent. Reference ID2003/968.
    Typical Features of a Wrap (Vendor Finance Arrangement)
    1) The purchaser pays a deposit at the time of entering into the arrangement.
    2) The settlement (change of the title deed to the purchaser) does not take place for several years after the arrangement is entered into.
    3) The purchaser has the right to occupy the property prior to settlement
    4) The purchaser pays a weekly amount (regardless of the name it is given in the arrangement) for the right to occupy the property
    5) As part of the arrangement the purchaser pays the rates, taxes and insurances on the property.
    6) The balance of the purchase price to be paid on settlement of the arrangement is reduced by the weekly instalments.
    7) If the purchaser fails to complete the arrangement the deposit and weekly instalments are forfeited.

    Now what about the profit on the sale of the property? Is that normal income or capital gain and when is it taxable? Assuming an agreement similar to that described above the answer to this question revolves around whether the vendor is in the business of selling houses or an investor just realising an investment. The key issues in differentiating here, according to ID2004/25, 26 & 27 are:
    1) The Vendor did not use the property for any other purpose than to enter into the wrap. A straight rental of a property before entering into a wrap arrangement would avoid this point.
    2) The property was sold at a profit
    3) The wrap arrangement was entered into within 6 months of the vendor purchasing the property.
    4) The Vendor is in the business of purchasing properties to resell. It would be difficult for the ATO to argue this case if the Vendor only bought and sold one property.

    If you are caught by all of the above then CGT cannot apply to the sale of the property as the profit on the sale is revenue in nature. If a transaction is caught as income, CGT does not apply or in other words CGT is the last option if income tax doesn’t catch it. But even if you weren’t caught by the above and CGT applied there would be no discount if the property was held for under 12 months. If you did hold the property for less than 12 months before entering into the wrap it is better to argue that you are in business and caught by the above because the profit on sale would be revenue in nature and as a result not assessable until settlement which could be 25 years away (ID2004/27). If you hold the property for less than 12 months but it is subject to CGT you don’t qualify for the discount but would be assessable on the profit when entering into the wrap.
    Section 104-15(1) of ITAA 1997 states that a CGT event happens when the owner of a property enters into an arrangement with another party to allow them to live in the property and title may transfer at the end of the arrangement. Section 104-10(3) states that the time the CGT event happens is the time of entering into a contract for the disposal of the asset, not when settlement (title passes) takes place.
    For example this means that the vendor who enters into a wrap on a property that has been previously used as a rental and held for more than 6 months will be subject to CGT on the property in the financial year the wrap agreement is entered into. Accordingly, if at this stage the property has not been held for 12 months no CGT discount will be available even if they eventually end up holding the property for 25 years under the arrangement.

    Disclaimer: Please note this information is general in nature and constantly changing so please don’t act on it without consulting your Accountant.

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