cheap info ?

I love the Web Site. I have not read the Book but tend to agree there is a place for positive cashflow properties in a property portfolio.

But I too agree that $1200 is a bit much. ($1200* 200 people = $240,000). It must include airfares and accomodation somewhere. It sort of is Henry Kaye ish.

I would have thought more along the lines of $300 would be more reasonalbe. ($300 * 200 = $60,000). Even then I cannot see how you need so much to cover overheads for a one day session.

Just my 2 cents worth.

actually, why do so many here seem to think that Steve should offer his knowledge as some sort of charity? If he can make a quid out of it, good on him… I’m sure if many of us were in his shoes, we’d do exactly the same.

cheers
r

Yes, I agree at the end of the day, the market determines what you can charge for courses.
If people are willing to pay $1000-$1200 fair enough. But I think $300 is more reasonable. I think that is what Jan Somers charges.

If I was about to start property investing, this is what I would do. (well its sort of what I did).

1. Spend $300 on 10 property investing books – both local and overseas. And Yes I would include Steves toward the top of the list.
2. Go speak to an accountant. Get him to charge you for his time. Get $600 bucks worth of time. That should be at least 6-8 hrs and you get personal attention. You only need a local accountant to start.
3. Go see the bank or a mortgage broker
4. Go speak to Estate Agents in the area you want to invest.
5. Find a solicitor you are comfortable with
6. Use forums like this or somersoft.com.au for any questions you may have
7. Once you made your first purchase – go spend the remaining $100-$300 on a good dinner or weekend away.

By doing the above – you will learn more than a one day course regardless of who gives the course.

I used to run a business. The people I dealt with said to me one day “if you have to ask the price, you cant afford it” or you dont have enough…

Basically people who want to spend money and have it, dont quibber about a price.

Personally, I question every price I pay. I rather keep the 1200 in my pocket thanks

Elves

What degree did you do? I don’t even think you can do an arts degree in 90 hours.

They haven’t implemented anything external. Everything is inside their heads. This is all well and good, but if you need to fly around and have a rah rah guru make you feel good, then I feel sorry for you.

Oh, and yes, I have ‘flown around’ to Tony’s seminars, and got a great deal from it. It is an awesome atmosphere. []

I think if you go to one of his seminars and then need to fly somewhere to go see another one, then you are wasting your money. These people often do it because they like the atmosphere – which is missing the point of what he is trying to teach you.

If you want atmosphere, go to a rave.

I don’t think everyone needs a seminar. But I did.
Although I had bought many books (and read them!) and gone to a few one-nighter seminars such as Dolf de Roos and Kiyosaki which give a general overview, I was in an industry of….*looks for an analogy*

ah yes….

let’s call them ‘feral fruit-pickers’ and we’d be in the ballpark – so I was in this industry where none of my fellow feral fruit-picker friends and acquaintances had their own homes let alone IPs. So here was this feral fruit-picker (me) on whom the sky suddenly dumped quite a bit of fruit and so this feral fruit-pickers (me) suddenly realised that a term-deposit (the investment of choice for the odd feral fruit-pickers who had amassed a few thousands) – wasn’t going to cut it, and I knew from Kiyosaki that I needed to invest, but seeing as I didn’t have enough to buy the PPOR of my dreams (in my small paradigm at the time) I knew I had enough to INVEST with, but I didn’t know anything about anything.

After DDR’s one nighter seminar, I was really really really excited and seriously considered trading a bit of my fruit to go to his several thousand dollar 3 day event (not the horse kind) at Jupiter’s casino – 1000 miles away.

Decided against it. Couldn’t quite justify it. Wondered if there was a cheaper less-hyped local equivalent. There was. Steve’s. As i said, it’s all relative – Steve’s seemed a real bargain.

I needed the seminar. I needed the personal development aspect (not to spoil the surprise, but think fire-walking) to conquer the fear and to realise that fear was the thing making excuses why not. I also needed the actual hard and fast mathematic deal analysis stuff.

it comes really easily to me now, but remember at the time I was just a feral fruit-picker and I hadn’t done any maths for a very long time, other than the odd bit of fruit counting. To demonstrate how bad I was, I couldn’t even remember how the hell you calculated percent – i.e. ‘what percentage is 5800 of 35000?’ but I didn’t give up and think ‘i’m bad with numbers’ or ‘my accountant does all that stuff’ or similar – just gritted my teeth, asked jeeves, surfed the web etc and found a HSC Maths coaching website which told me how. No wait, there’s more – I even had to print it out and stick it by my computer for a bit until I could remember it all by myself. I mean, DUH,

THAT is how challenged I was. Not only did I need the seminar, which admittedly went over my head a lot but luckily we got a tape recording to take away, as well as a folder of notes, but I needed to listen to it another couple of times and go through the notes again until I was confident.

Then finally, sure of my stuff, i went looking for deals, found them, crunched the numbers, was able to explain to negative gearing-paradigm doubters how it worked, and went off to buy. The buying process was the easy bit. Lawyers, offers, deals, accountants, RE agents, builder’s inspections, piece of cake.
the hard bit *for me* was the fear that I didn’t know what I was doing and would make a mistake. The seminar took care of the ‘how to’ stuff in particular the numbers, and also the ‘fear’ side.

A lot of people here are cluey about numbers already and don’t have the fear factor that a feral fruit-picker who has been sequestered in a feral fruit-picker commune for several years has, and the feeling of being out of one’s depth. A lot of people could just go read a book or two, ask a couple of questions on the forum, and go forth and prosper. But not me. Cautious and plodding by nature, (taurus) I not only went to the seminar but bought a package that included email mentoring. THEN i felt I could go and do it. But the seminar was the missing link for me. books prior to the seminar helped prime me for the seminar, but the seminar was really so, so, the thing that made me actually do it.

not only that, but several feral fruit-pickers I know are hot on my heels, as I was able to bring the knowledge back into the commune.

cheers-
‘feral fruit-picker’

The thing that hasn’t been mentioned as yet is the fact that doing something well is a process (of learning).

Show me someone who can read a book or listen to advice and then go and execute the plan perfectly and
we will have a genius in our midst.

We normally get our education from all kind of sources
(including life and including the mistakes we make).

Some of these mistakes can be very costly.

I cannot see anything wrong with spending money on a
seminar just as I cannot see anything wrong with Doinit thinking it is a waste of time and money.

As long that is, as he realises that one way or another we still have to pay the price to get our experiences.

The last couple of things I want to mention are :

1. We never stop learning as we never will know it all.

2. even one good idea picked up at a seminar will more than pay for the cost of the seminar.

Pisces

I haven’t said there’s anything wrong with getting you head to think correctly, I’m just saying that spending thousands of dollars flying around to his seminars isn’t cost effective. After all, he is just a rah-rah merchant.

money and ego first, helping of others second.

Have never alluded that I am perfect. However, I don’t need to spend thousands on a rah-rah merchant to teach me how to think positively and achieve every goal that I set.

I don’t go to raves as I don’t need an artificial atmosphere to make me feel positive.

Can I ask if you have your own personalised motion/movement thing that Mr Robbins teaches?