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    I read Robert Kiyosaki, and as I understood he mentions that in order to get out of the rat race you have to quit your job and start to invest/create a business.
    After reading Steve’s book he mentions that he was sick of accounting, he quit to do something different.
    Of course I would like to quit my job NOW, but guess what??
    Eventhough I have a sizesable equity in my home and I can find positive geared properties, without a current job a bank will lend me ZERO!!
    Am I missing something??
    I am totally comitted to the idea of positive gearing but would like to start full time now!
    Can someone enlighten me?? [:I]I promise to mention you when I write my book[:)]

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    I haven’t read Steve’s book, but now that I know he is an accountant that bailed from accounting (like myself) I think I’ll have a read! In Kiyosaki, if I recall correctly he did specifically say don’t throw your job in tomorrow to do this – he said try do a small enterprise on the side to ease into it i.e. a little mail order enterprise etc. The biggest thing from all these books like this is to make a written plan and that may have to involve working for the first 3 to 5 years until some of your side investments come through. You wil also probably cop some heat from your employer as your attentions will not be 100% on the job – dont buckle to the pressure. Employers only care about whats best for themselves on the day, not who is going to pay for your retirement!



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    atomic, I think Kiyosaki also says that you could do joint ventures – if you don’t have the money, or the ability to get a loan, you can bet there is someone out there that does, and would like to invest, but actually likes their job and are very busy, or are happy to invest in someone else’s skills and want to keep working.

    Cheers
    Mel

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    You can still get loans without a job-easily. But you will have to pay a premium on the interest rate and the LVR will be lower. It is far better to keep working full time as long as you can and then after you get to a certain level, bail out.

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    Terry can you please clarify that a bit more? My understanding is you either go hi-doc with verified income, or lo-doc in which case you will need 2 years of unverified income i.e. I was told you can’t just go and make up your income on a lo-doc, you have to have a believable source of income. And of course despite what the bank does or doesn’t believe, you will have to service that loan.

    Profile photo of Mortgage HunterMortgage Hunter
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    Terry was possibly describing those lenders who don’t need two years self employed income for a LODOC.

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    Hi. yes there are various ‘low docs’ and ‘no docs’ and what I call ‘we don’t give a stuff docs’ (private lenders etc, rates 8 or 9%).

    Normally you need 2 years self employment history to get a good low doc.

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    A low Doc ? One also needs to have had an ABN for some time (two years for some lenders though the broker can play around with that)!!

    So perhaps a good idea to apply now in anticipation ?

    Pisces133

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    I am aware of a LODOC that only requires a brand new ABN. I haven’t used it before but can chase more detail if anyone is interested.

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    Simon Macks
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    The bank for Lo Doc’s that will take a brand new ABN is Macquarie bank. They have a low doc at around 7.08% and you could have your ABN for a day apparently.
    I have just gotten a lo doc loan through Macquarie, haven’t had to show any financials, but we’ve had our ABN over 2 years, so maybe they go on that. LVR is 60% though….
    The thing with Steve and Dave was that they quit and started their own business with clients they took with them from their previous job, and still had their wives incomes coming in. If you just quit your job to make your fortune being a property investor, you may find things a little harder.

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    …ummm okay, what’s a doc (hi, lo or otherwise)?[:(]

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    Originally posted by dvane:

    …ummm okay, what’s a doc (hi, lo or otherwise)?[:(]

    Doc is short for Documentation – or proof of what you are claiming in your application.

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    Jarmbie
    My understanding is that Macquarie cannot do low docs if you have just become self employed. You still need 2 years history (and the rate is more like 7.30%, but this drops down to about 6.50% over a few years). I htink Combank will waive the 2 year requirement if you have recently become self employed in exactly the same job (eg computer person changes over to sub contractor working at the same company).

    There are some lenders that will lend for low docs with only an accountants letter (eg Tonto), and one that did low docs for PAYE if employed for more than 6 months (verified by phone call).

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    Jarmbie,

    Interstar will do a lo doc loan without an ABN. As you said you are unemployed this would suit you.
    You can set up this type of loan by declaring that you are a full time investor ( no need for employment history/checks )
    The maximum LVR that you would be able to do in this situation is 65%.
    The interest rate would be in the mid 7s ( don’t know the figure off the top of my head! )
    Hope this helps.

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    “how on earth do you get a loan”

    1) Marry a rich partner, preferrably with one foot somewhere else!

    2) try investing other peoples money and hope you don’t get caught out (not advised)

    3)get down on your hands and knees and bake cookies for that loaded aunty

    4) get power of attorney over someones finances….only joking, but I have seen this happen!

    5) better still keep working until you earn enough from positive cash flows, that the banks fall over you!

    cheers

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    oh and the daily tele’s money and you section was talking about Robert K’s latest book, you know other peoples good luck stories….

    trouble is, they dont tell you the bad luck ones…..LOL

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    re: how on earth do you get a loan, aren’t the three things the bank looks at equity (either in a house, or other assets, cash savings, etc), income (earned or investments) and credit rating. (no outstanding parking fines or debt collectors….)

    and if you can make them happy about all three, they work out according to their formulae if they will lend you what you want. Of course lo and no docs are more lenient.

    I laughed at the “we don’t give a stuff docs’ (private lenders etc, rates 8 or 9%). “

    I wanna know more about them!

    cheers-
    Mini

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    Hi Terry,
    Sorry, I stand corrected. You are right about the ABN for 2 years with Macquarie, I just remember talking to my broker at the time about having the title in a company name, and if we set up a new company for buying and selling, how long did we have to be trading for to be approved for home loans. I was sure she came back to me saying that Macquarie only needed an ABN, and it could be a day old etc….
    Anyway, doesn’t matter at this stage as we did have the trading history with our current business…..
    Macquarie’s LVR is 80% at 7.3% and ANZ do a lo doc of 6.47% on an LVR of 60%.

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    Jarmbie

    That’s correct. Even if the company owning the property has just been established, Macquarie (an virtually all lenders) will lend to the company. But to get a low doc loan, the director or applicant must be self employed for at least 2 years. This is proven by the date of establishment of the ABN.

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